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haxxiy said:

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Meanwhile, AMD still has only 4 Zen4 CPUs on the market and we have no signs of new lower end parts, giving Intel the huge pool of systems AMD lived from during years.
Intel has come back, and AMD doesn't seem to be able to respond. Let's hope the rumors about ryzen 8/9000 featuring hybrid cores is real so that they can get on par with Intel on that front, and that they finally mov their asses and start designing CPUs from the top to the bottom market, including (no poorly gimped) low end parts.

Is it worth it, though?

For that extra die space, you might as well just toss another entire CCD (~ 72 mm2) into the package and get the performance of full cores, especially considering the efficiency gap is so large (a 13600k consumes more power than a 5600X and a 7600X put together!).

I don't know if it's really worth it or not, but doing nothing is certainly not the way to go.

AMD stated way back when they launched the zen architecture that the x600 part would be 6-core/12-threads and that the x700/x800 would be 8/16. Later, with the 3000 series, they added the x900 with 12/24 and the x950 with 16/32. And that's it, they haven't deviated from that formula. Meanwhile, and during the same timeframe, Intel has gone from the 6-cores/12-threads 8700K to the 10/20 of the 10900K to, finally, the 8+16/32 of the recent 13900K.

Maybe, just maybe, AMD should rethink their lineup and move it down across the board. Completely scraping the 4 core processors that (if we're lucky) will come in a year and make 6-cores the baseline, with the x600 moving to 8-cores, the x700 to 12, bringing the 16-cores to the x800 and leave the x900 and x950 for threadripper-like core counts (it's not like they're doing much with that line anyway). And well, it goes without saying but that uplift in cores should be done while keeping the actual prices, of course. Then they would be able to compete with Intel without having to use mixed cores or other tricks.