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hinch said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Intel Core i7-12700 non-K Alder Lake CPU is almost as fast as Ryzen 7 5800X in leaked Geekbench score

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-i7-12700-non-k-alder-lake-cpu-is-almost-as-fast-as-ryzen-7-5800x-in-leaked-geekbench-score

I'd ignore the rocket lake results because they are skewed by having AVX512 while AMD and ironically, Alder Lake S doesn't. Overall, it's good performance for a non-K sku. If the K skus are 15-20% ahead of Ryzen 5000 and not priced terribly, I think it will be a good CPU. But with Intel, pricing can always be funky.

Speedrun Gigabyte Power Supply Explosion: Biggest Failure Yet (GP-P750GM)

They were able to kill it in 13 minutes. Skip to 16:50 if you want to see. No PSUs regardless of load should be doing this as it's protections should come on and project it. Shameful Gigabyte.

Looking quite promising for Alderlake. If the benchmark leaks from a couple months are indicative of performance (of their higher end skus) they're in for a winner for this year. Particularly, the single core scores which is will put this on top for gaming and overall.  If they priced similarly to their current lineup, this would put Intel back in the game. It'll be interesting to see how AMD will respond with their refresh lineup with V-cache.

Also kinda shocking (pun intended) that Gigabyte won't admit that their product is faulty and instead try to trying to pin it on reviewers testing methodology. I mean peoples feedback and returns on huge retailers should have been a big enough of a red flag.

Count me out of Gigabytes future products.

Yea it will be interesting to see how it releases. If Alder Lake S and Zen 4 Vcache are similar in performance, I'd certainly get Alder Lake S because of it's DDR5 and PCI-E 5. Especially since PCI-E 5 will probably last you the entire console generation. (Even PCI-E 4 will but GPUs are really getting huge uplifts in performance so in the PC space, it will be interesting).

And yea, I am not gonna buy any Gigabyte products ever again. Their X570 boards initially had tons of boot bugs thanks to the way they implemented their Dual BIOS nonsense where sometimes, it would boot into the wrong BIOS and wipe all your settings. Then their 3000 series launch had some faulty wiring issues that caused the pins in the power connector to pop out. And now this?

Just essh.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/3080-3090-3070-gigabyte-eagle-gaming-oc-vision-power-connector-concerns.18900176/

The winning company this gen seems to be Asus. Some of their products might be overpriced but man, I have yet to see any of them have problems. Hell even their TUF series which are their "cheaper" ones have higher quality components than some of these higher priced Gigabyte/Evga FTW3 ones.



                  

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JEMC said:

Congrats, Yuri.

To all Zen owners, this is of interest:

New Ryzen Chipset Driver Patches Security Vulnerabilities
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ryzen-chipset-driver-critical-security-fixes
A new Ryzen Chipset Driver update was released yesterday, version 3.08.17.735, that patches "critical security flaws" in the Platform Security Processor driver. AMD has not revealed the exact details of the security flaws that were patched, but we presume they could be related to a couple of current AMD flaws.

Right now, AMD has two vulnerabilities affecting all Ryzen based CPUs listed on AMD's website. One of these includes a Speculative code store bypass and floating-point value injection vulnerability, which can cause Ryzen CPUs to leak data when processing overwritten instructions when the CPU processes incorrect floating point numbers. The second vulnerability also relates to data leakage, called the Transient Execution of Non-canonical Accesses. This vulnerability can allow data leakage when the CPU executes a non-canonical load and stores those numbers with just 48 address bits or lower.

We're not completely sure these are the flaws AMD's new PSP driver has fixed. But either way, it would be best to update your Ryzen chipset drivers to this new version to insure you aren't exposed to unknown vulnerabilities. Especially when AMD classifies these security flaws as "critical."

You can download the latest driver here.

Thanks and thanks for the info. I am in the mood for downloading stuff so I'll probably download this asap lol.

Conina said:

Nice!

Do you have a datacap on that or is it unlimited?
How many TB do you usually download per month?

Thanks and it's unlimited data so no datacap. On my old internet which was 150mbps down, I did 1.3TB on average and sometimes 1.8-2TB.

Bofferbrauer2 said:

Techpowerup checked how much only having 8 lanes slows you down, by comparing 8 lanes of PCIE 4.0 with the same amount of lanes on PCIE 3.0, 2.0 and even 1.1.: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6600-xt-pci-express-scaling/

The result is... a whole lot of nothing, really. On average at 1080p, where the drop is the largest in most cases, having to resort to PCIE 3.0 instead of 4.0 costs you a whole 2% of performance - and that's both rounded up and with 2 outlier with Hitman 3 (13.5%) and Death Stranding (6.8%). In most cases, the difference was barely measurable, let alone felt. Going from DDR4-3200 to 3600 has probably a higher effect on the FPS than having just 8 lanes of PCIE, 4.0 or otherwise. 

In fact, even just using PCIE 2.0 would only result in a 7% performance drop (again mainly due to the outlier), and only PCIE 1.1 where the difference was really felt and the average performance drop was 17%. By extrapolating the curve, they come to the conclusion that PCI4.0 x16 would have added that whole lot of 1% to the performance average, so really nothing to lose sleep about.

That being said, there's no guarantee that it will stay that way. It could be that in the future, those speeds could in fact really bottleneck enough to be truly felt. But that probably won't be before a couple years down the road.

Captain_Yuri said:

Intel Core i7-12700 non-K Alder Lake CPU is almost as fast as Ryzen 7 5800X in leaked Geekbench score

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-i7-12700-non-k-alder-lake-cpu-is-almost-as-fast-as-ryzen-7-5800x-in-leaked-geekbench-score

I'd ignore the rocket lake results because they are skewed by having AVX512 while AMD and ironically, Alder Lake S doesn't. Overall, it's good performance for a non-K sku. If the K skus are 15-20% ahead of Ryzen 5000 and not priced terribly, I think it will be a good CPU. But with Intel, pricing can always be funky.

How long is the Geekbench test?

If it's short enough, then it could have been performed completely or almost entirely under full boost, which is only marginally slower than on the K models. This is also one of the reasons why I take Geekbench results with a giant grain of salt, as they are pretty far removed from reality half the time.

Yea different reviewers seems to be getting different results with the test. I am assuming it depends on how they are bench marking the games. Like hardware unboxed/techspot saw 25% difference in performance in doom eternal and up to 5% faster on average on the rest of the games when switching from Gen 3 to Gen 4. But yea, not every game/scenario will see a big difference.

I don't really test Geekbench myself so not too sure but I think it's fairly short.



                  

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Captain_Yuri said:

Yea it will be interesting to see how it releases. If Alder Lake S and Zen 4 Vcache are similar in performance, I'd certainly get Alder Lake S because of it's DDR5 and PCI-E 5. Especially since PCI-E 5 will probably last you the entire console generation. (Even PCI-E 4 will but GPUs are really getting huge uplifts in performance so in the PC space, it will be interesting).

And yea, I am not gonna buy any Gigabyte products ever again. Their X570 boards initially had tons of boot bugs thanks to the way they implemented their Dual BIOS nonsense where sometimes, it would boot into the wrong BIOS and wipe all your settings. Then their 3000 series launch had some faulty wiring issues that caused the pins in the power connector to pop out. And now this?

Just essh.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/3080-3090-3070-gigabyte-eagle-gaming-oc-vision-power-connector-concerns.18900176/

The winning company this gen seems to be Asus. Some of their products might be overpriced but man, I have yet to see any of them have problems. Hell even their TUF series which are their "cheaper" ones have higher quality components than some of these higher priced Gigabyte/Evga FTW3 ones.

True, Intel seems to have the new technologies ready with A-Lake, its just matter of performance and value/price. Buying into AM4 now isn't really a good idea now we're so late in the generation, and that while we're on the edge of new stuff launching. And like you said while PCi-E 4 may be good now, you may be better off getting the one with a future standard. I'd imagine there will be some extra costs with going into since cutting edge usually means early adopter taxes (like DDR5, mobos), but with the way AMD are pricing things it'll be interesting to see which comes on top with value/features.

Yeah Gigabyte stuff seems flaky. Like anecdotally, my old X370 board was highly unstable until several AGES updates later. I never had any issues with ASUS boards and they're usually built well with decent quality components. This and other ungainly news just makes them look super shady.

Last edited by hinch - on 25 August 2021

JEMC said:

Congrats, Yuri.

To all Zen owners, this is of interest:

New Ryzen Chipset Driver Patches Security Vulnerabilities
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ryzen-chipset-driver-critical-security-fixes
A new Ryzen Chipset Driver update was released yesterday, version 3.08.17.735, that patches "critical security flaws" in the Platform Security Processor driver. AMD has not revealed the exact details of the security flaws that were patched, but we presume they could be related to a couple of current AMD flaws.

Right now, AMD has two vulnerabilities affecting all Ryzen based CPUs listed on AMD's website. One of these includes a Speculative code store bypass and floating-point value injection vulnerability, which can cause Ryzen CPUs to leak data when processing overwritten instructions when the CPU processes incorrect floating point numbers. The second vulnerability also relates to data leakage, called the Transient Execution of Non-canonical Accesses. This vulnerability can allow data leakage when the CPU executes a non-canonical load and stores those numbers with just 48 address bits or lower.

We're not completely sure these are the flaws AMD's new PSP driver has fixed. But either way, it would be best to update your Ryzen chipset drivers to this new version to insure you aren't exposed to unknown vulnerabilities. Especially when AMD classifies these security flaws as "critical."

You can download the latest driver here.

As a bonus this finally fixed the USB C port on my motherboard which have not worked basically as long as I own it.  The Chipset driver that on motherboard manufacture website it would work with but that not been updated since December 2019 so for security reason never used it.  This is the first Chipset I got directly from AMD where the USB C port worked.  Not a huge deal since every other USB port on motherboard work but annoying that the only 20gbs USB port on motherboard did not work.

Now I just hope the next update don't break it again.



Saints Row reboot shown at Gamescom

I don't know.. looks like trash :/ Why does everyone need to looks like Fortnite players/nerdy hipsters. These are gangsters, no?



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Captain_Yuri said:
AsGryffynn said:

I always thought stores could charge a "hosting fee" for those who didn't want to sell through those: they charge like an advertiser would. Essentially, you use Steam as an advert platform for your game. 

Isn't that what they are doing now?

Flat fee, not cut of sales. Unless Steam started doing the whole "host your game, pay monthly and we get 0 option". 

Conina said:

Nice!

Do you have a datacap on that or is it unlimited?
How many TB do you usually download per month?

Unlimited. Methinks a data cap at those speeds would render the speed boost pointless. 

I have half that, but its symmetrical and doesn't have data caps. I think this is an American thing. 



AsGryffynn said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Isn't that what they are doing now?

Flat fee, not cut of sales. Unless Steam started doing the whole "host your game, pay monthly and we get 0 option". 

Well since not every game is equal, that would have to be quite variable. Like there is no way to know whether or not a certain game will be very successful or be a flop. And if a game is a flop and Steam has a high hosting fee, then that could be worse for the devs compared to the 30% cut. Or if a game is super successful and Steam has a low hosting fee, that would be worse for Valve as they still need to ensure the game gets digitally delivered to the paying customer with all it's features.

Most major hosting sites like Azure/AWS have a variable fee depending on the load of the application. So if the application requires more resources because it suddenly became popular, Azure/AWS will increase it's fees while giving the developer access to more resources so that it doesn't get overwhelmed. Of course, there is a fixed option where if the application requires more resources, Azure/AWS won't give it to them but that doesn't work for games as it would kill it's popularity.



                  

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hinch said:

Saints Row reboot shown at Gamescom

I don't know.. looks like trash :/ Why does everyone need to looks like Fortnite players/nerdy hipsters. These are gangsters, no?

Looks like a Skip for me



                  

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