Chazore said:
EricHiggin said:
I'm guessing AMD being surprised when it comes to Ampere is literally super negative or positive. Meaning AMD didn't see this coming, or assumed Nvidia got the hint and would've turned up the heat.
I would think this means we're either getting another Polaris like situation, with quite good mid tier gaming performance for reasonable prices, or they're going to be quite competitive with Ampere in general. Last time during the mid gen console launch it was the Polaris situation, so with the the next gen console RDNA Navi launch approaching, it wouldn't be crazy to assume another similar scenario.
I've been assuming Big Navi is actually going to compete all around with Ampere, which is why I figured they wouldn't pounce immediately after Ampere was announced. No need to react immediately if you're not at a disadvantage. I also wouldn't be surprised if AMD is thinking they should teach some gamers a lesson who've been sucked into the pre order game for years now. Let Ampere launch, let it sell out, and then shortly after, explain your cards coming soon will perform similar if not better, at less cost to some degree.
If Big Navi really is worthy for the most part, and you buy a 3000 Series, assuming you're not a strict Nvidia fan, then find out shortly after you could have gotten more performance for cheaper, you wouldn't kick yourself for not waiting a little bit? This would be smart for the future when AMD may be at a significant disadvantage again. Instead of gamers ignoring Radeon and just instantly buying up GeForce cards as soon as they can, they will start to wait and see. At least for a while anyway, depending on whether AMD continues to deliver, or not like prior gens.
Hopefully I'm not wrong, but RTG remaining so silent, calm and cool, which is new, says to me they actually have something serious cooking in their own ovens.
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It'll be hard tot each gamers a lesson, when there's the spreading fear of a new miner craze on the horizon. Last I checked, both AMD and Nvidia hardly did much to stamp out the last craze, though they did try making some cards specific for mining, who's to say they'll do that again this time, in this current climate (the virus, low production etc). Besides, there will likely be some people who will pre-order those GPU's, then see AMD's coming out, sell off their GPU's to some suckers and simply buy AMD's if they wanted. It's very hard to teach gamers a lesson into waiting for your product to show up, when you're not the market leader.
Imagine Xbox launching their console a while after Sony's, no one's gonna really care that much by then, because Sony just has an insane amount of market share and mind share.
AMD is just gonna have to hope that they actually manage to compete on all fronts, not just the low and mid range again, otherwise the 3080 and 90 are once again going to give people like me what I want, but without competition.
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Another mining craze would certainly be throwing a wrench into things, if that comes to pass.
Imagine if PS5 was announced already between $500 and $600, and XBSS and XBSX were flipped in terms of announcements, and we just learned about XBSX which was priced $50 to $100 below PS5. That would certainly make a difference, though SNY wouldn't be completely ruined by it.
AMD will have to much better compete all around if they stand a chance at clawing some market share back from Nvidia, yes. I think they very well may be able to do that to some degree this time around, but we'll see.
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People don't buy GPUs every year, most people have the same GPU for at least 3 years. So if a person buys Nvidia over AMD due to lack of alternatives they will stick with that card. When the AMD cards finally release they will find reasons to justify their own purchase, dig in their heels and make sure to go Nvidia for the next gen too because they got used to it already. If people were capable of self reflection, rational thought or learning from mistakes the world wouldn't be such a fucked up place, but it is. So counting on that would be a bad move on AMD's part.
When I hear about rumors boldly presenting increased performance per watt numbers I cannot help but to think back the last time when that was the only selling point for an AMD card. It reminds me of the helpless flailing of console fanboys when they bring up price/performance for consoels over PC.
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Well some gamers can go ahead and dig up excuses for not getting something better, the fact of the matter is some would think twice next time, so it would be worth it, if AMD is holding a pair of aces that is. AMD isn't going to count on everyone to correctly self reflect, and they wouldn't assume that would be the ticket to help turn the tides, but every little bit helps when you're the underdog.
Well if price/performance doesn't matter to someone, why would they care whatsoever if Radeon cards could compete with Nvidia at all? Just be happy Nvidia clearly keeps the performance crown and follows that up with price hikes. Who cares? It's not like those same people are going to complain about Nvidia's outlandish pricing and how it's AMD's fault they aren't competing across the board.
It wouldn't be that surprising if AMD was just trolling Nvidia, pushing them to offer acceptable price/performance again, while actually offering another Polaris type line up. I don't get the feeling that's what's happening this time around however. I think AMD is actually going to take a shot at the crown, though I'd assume for AMD that means the 3080(ti) level. I kinda doubt AMD cares about competing at the exorbitant levels of Titan (3090).
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