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Vetteman94 on 07 July 2013
RolStoppable said:
Linkzmax said:

That they were. More that you have the biggest motive, but that doesn't necessarily equate to the means.

It could be disregarded, but I implied belief in his statement(as well as questioning benao's distrust), as well as Astro's admission and now your very own. I think it would be very strange if nobody knew they were mafia from the very start and would very much go against the flavor. But 1vs8 doesn't play well, so yes I think the "Deep Dark" has a scumbuddy who wasn't necessarily in the know from the beginning. Would allow spurge to start the game right away, then sort of balance it once all the players are confirmed.

I'm not sure why spurge had the rule for the Day 1 lynch, but I suspect he basically wanted a Night Start game without the bad side of one(or more) player likely never getting to play.

Right, one player knew all about himself (that's what the flavor suggests), so any of the remaining eight players could have been of any alignment.

Anyway, this game needs to get going, so I'll vote for my main suspect after I got all the answers I had been waiting for.

Vote: v-man

There hasn't been much to go on, but I definitely like his play the least.

You just dont like that I have challenged your thinking,  flawed as it is.  But with me out of the way and no one else really saying anything this will allow you to control the pace that you want. 



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Vetteman94 on 07 July 2013
RolStoppable said:
Vetteman94 said:

You just dont like that I have challenged your thinking,  flawed as it is.  But with me out of the way and no one else really saying anything this will allow you to control the pace that you want. 

As if this game had any pace to speak of. Besides, I can control this game regardless of your status. It's not like anyone else was trying to get anything going.

If things were up to you, we would lynch a lurker. Perhaps happyD, because he didn't even have the dignity to post on Day 2 (let's ignore that he is banned which is as waterproof of an excuse as it can get for not posting). You know why I don't like your play? Because in a game with so few players you want to lynch a lurker, but make no efforts whatsoever to get the lurkers to post first. You aren't interested in hearing from them, you just want one of them gone, but aren't willing to make the first step (the vote) yourself.

Exactly, its not like you are trying to get people to participate either, you just voted cause you dont like that I disagreed with your reasoning because I can't give 3 people a pass when none of them are confirmed.  

How can I get a lurker to talk?  Sure I could vote them but its only one vote,  and even in this small of a game that doesnt mean much.  If I really wasnt just interested in hearing from them I would have voted for them and then encouraged others to do the same.  Which I haven't done,  I have just suggested it as a course of action, considering in the past it has been successful many times.   And in the case of HappyD, I didnt see that he was banned,  I made a mistake,  but that doesnt excuse the other 2.   



Vetteman94 on 07 July 2013
RolStoppable said:
Vetteman94 said:

Exactly, its not like you are trying to get people to participate either, you just voted cause you dont like that I disagreed with your reasoning because I can't give 3 people a pass when none of them are confirmed.  

How can I get a lurker to talk?  Sure I could vote them but its only one vote,  and even in this small of a game that doesnt mean much.  If I really wasnt just interested in hearing from them I would have voted for them and then encouraged others to do the same.  Which I haven't done,  I have just suggested it as a course of action, considering in the past it has been successful many times.   And in the case of HappyD, I didnt see that he was banned,  I made a mistake,  but that doesnt excuse the other 2.   

Let's recap Day 2 so far:

1) radish, FF and v-man post without needing any incentives to do so.
2) I throw an accusation at linkz, although I didn't doubt that he would post several times without my doing.
3) I quote benao and astro to get them to say something.
4) happyD is banned since before the start of Day 2.

I got everyone covered. By the way, linkz disagreed with my reasoning as well, but I didn't vote him out of spite (which you claim is my reason for voting you).

You can get lurkers to talk by quoting them. It removes their excuse to refrain from posting. Once they talk you can judge whether they have been following the game, are struggling for words or are just parroting someone else.

Suggesting a course of action is a nice way to get something done without initiating it yourself. Essentially, someone else would carry the burden of responsibility. Not to mention that your suggestion to lynch a lurker came a bit early in the Day and you didn't deem it necessary to look up the profile status of the players in question. It's a bit like you don't care who we lynch as long as we do it rather quickly.

Well it obvious Benao isnt really following the game considering he claims he is lost,  despite not that much really going on, whether that is sincere or feigning ignorance only he knows I guess.  Astro has posted once and has completely disappeared again, only responding to what you said and making no ther comments about anything else.  Neither of them are looking like they are even making an effort anymore. 

You are right about one thing though,  I don't really care who we lynch.   



benao87 on 07 July 2013

Is not that I'm not following the game, it's just that I have no leads to start building something. And, that in my few games, I've never played with you. Even you say it's not going much, so what can you follow? You two quarrelling.

I share your part of not believing completely rol's theory of scum being in one of those six he listed, but, it's a solid theory, and we can actually work something form there. The problem again, is spurge's flavor.

That's what I've been saying, now, you are the one that's not paid attention to me, and have focused around rol.



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radishhead on 07 July 2013

Can someone start picking apart my posts or something because I find that I play better when my life is under threat - everything seems really calm at the moment which makes it difficult to think of anything to say.



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Vetteman94 on 07 July 2013
benao87 said:
Is not that I'm not following the game, it's just that I have no leads to start building something. And, that in my few games, I've never played with you. Even you say it's not going much, so what can you follow? You two quarrelling.

I share your part of not believing completely rol's theory of scum being in one of those six he listed, but, it's a solid theory, and we can actually work something form there. The problem again, is spurge's flavor.

That's what I've been saying, now, you are the one that's not paid attention to me, and have focused around rol.

Well you should ask questions then,  not posting that you are lost or confused by the flavor.  Plus I dont believe following the flavor is a really good idea,  its not there to give us hints on who to lynch, its just what it is, flavor, meant to add a story to this game is all.   Sure some things can be gotten from the flavor, but not all that much to be of great use.  

I have read everyone posts at least twice,  so I have been paying attention.  And my main reason for focus on Rol is due to him being after me on day 1 and my disagreement with his theory.   



Vetteman94 on 07 July 2013
radishhead said:
Can someone start picking apart my posts or something because I find that I play better when my life is under threat - everything seems really calm at the moment which makes it difficult to think of anything to say.


Whats your reasoning for believing Rols theory?   Is it because he thinks you arent a threat so you just want to go with it so you dont stand out?  

Linkz also believes you are town,  what do you think his reasoning for that is?  You really havent done much other than agree with whatever Rol says.

Also why don't you think there aren't any Powerful/non-restricted roles,  Only role we have to go by is Mario's and his looks pretty powerful.  



Final-Fan on 07 July 2013
Vetteman94 said:

why don't you think there aren't any Powerful/non-restricted roles,  Only role we have to go by is Mario's and his looks pretty powerful.  

Looks like you answered your own question. 



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Final-Fan on 07 July 2013

Also, mod, could we get an OP update? It was easy enough to remind myself what mario flipped as since there are only 4 pages, but still.



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benao87 on 08 July 2013
Vetteman94 said:
benao87 said:
Is not that I'm not following the game, it's just that I have no leads to start building something. And, that in my few games, I've never played with you. Even you say it's not going much, so what can you follow? You two quarrelling.

I share your part of not believing completely rol's theory of scum being in one of those six he listed, but, it's a solid theory, and we can actually work something form there. The problem again, is spurge's flavor.

That's what I've been saying, now, you are the one that's not paid attention to me, and have focused around rol.

Well you should ask questions then,  not posting that you are lost or confused by the flavor.  Plus I dont believe following the flavor is a really good idea,  its not there to give us hints on who to lynch, its just what it is, flavor, meant to add a story to this game is all.   Sure some things can be gotten from the flavor, but not all that much to be of great use.  

I have read everyone posts at least twice,  so I have been paying attention.  And my main reason for focus on Rol is due to him being after me on day 1 and my disagreement with his theory.   

Ask who?Mods? As you say, we are not going to get much information by flavor. But, we do have something by it, taking into account the first part and the message sent to everyone, it is a determing factor, and you can't deny that, unless you did got all your information day 1, which suggest you are not in the same boat as pretty much the rest.



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