Maybe you should try to develop a better understanding of what you read, versus simply regurgitating whatever fits your agenda.  No one on those NeoGaf threads knows EXACTLY what's going on under the hood.

Maybe you should read the Wii U GPU teardown thread after 6/10 (starts on page 127).  Many people on there are starting to realize this console is closer to their "350" benchmark than "176".  Just looking at the 3 games mentioned in this thread, it is easy to see the step up.

PS4?  No, of course not.  Not even close.  But stop with the PS3/360 crap.

THIS x 1000.  I'm reading the same damn threads as you ninja, but apparently you only read every 3rd post.  

Sigh. Starting to realize I should take my own advice:

"Never argue with an idiot. They will simply drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."

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I think I'm going to go start spamming other threads with complete ignorance, and then not be rational whatsoever when other are. It seems to work I have to admit. You're NEVER going to get Ninjablade to change his stance. And even if you can one day proove xyz benchmark, he'll move his goalposts.  

It's fun to argue with him for a few mintues, but then you realize you're basically arguing with a wall. 

Thanks, I try to be open minded to both sides of a debate.  And for this specific argument I believe both sides raise valid points.  I just think that a lot of people see things with a black and white mentality and won't acknowledge any opinion good or bad that contradicts their own.  And it seems that especially on the internet, debates are won by the harshest, most aggressive and extreme stances rather than a balanced perspective.  It's like in life, a lot of people will think that the loudest person won the fight despite the content of their claims.  Pretty amusing, really.

I should have figure as much, that the gap would be that small.

Figures.

So we know what kind of better visuals to expect in the ONE & PS4 compare to Wii U when they all get fully figured out by Devs. And you just know that the little difference in visuals while playing on a TV will make more people consider adding a Wii U to their collection this Gen.

That Resident Evil 6 pic looks more worse then Resident Evil Revelations 3D, except for the metal ventilation pipes.

That might be RE 4.

Sorry if you were being sarcastic...my batteries in the sarcastic meter are being used in a Wii remote.

Mate, I was being sarcastic there...thought it was quite obvious. You still haven't dug into the matter for yourself, it seems...

The Wii U is around 1.25 GHz a core on pre-install firmware.

The PS4 is like 1.64 GHz a core on pre-install firmware.

The Wii U has a 3 or 4 core IBM POWER 7 CPU.

The PS4 has a 8 core AMD APU that will most likely use 7 cores to do CPU functionalities, while 1 core will be clocked at 800 MHz as a basic GPU.

I already knew this stuff without the threads, but AMD processes less because of how it process stuff.....for example, my Windows 7 Labtop has a AMD CPU so it can't emulate DS games, but if I had a Windows 7 with any other CPU, then I would be able to emulate DS games. IBM POWER 7 CPU is more of the opposite in processing quality, but the PS4 is clocked at an additional around 0.4 GHz, but e Wii U is ahead in major firmware updates and the Wii U has its GPGPU guarantee to do all the game physics, but the PS4 is sporting 2 to 3 cores more for CPU functionality over the Wii U which still makes the PS4 boss with room to spare and sacrifice to keep proper functionality. And this is best case scenario for Wii U.

Plus for the past 5 years Sony has just been buying the weakest technology, like the PS Vita AMD CPU & 512 MB DRAM (which is the worst 512 MB RAM but also the cheapest).

The Wii U specs seem to currently be where the 3DS & Vita use to be. We use to thought the 3DS & PS Vita had 2-core 200 MHz CPUs, and then we found out the PS Vita had 4-cores and then we found out it was 1 GHz a core, and then we found out the 3DS is 1 GHz and then we later on found out the 3DS CPU is also 1 GHz a core. (of course they are both underclock below 500 MHz a core on pre-install firmware) this explains both handhelds being $250 each, which also explains how there is only a 20 million polygons difference between the 2 handhelds"

Anyways we know more about the Wii U & PS4 around release then we did about the Vita & 3DS. But they wouldn't be wasting so much RAM that clocks the GPU at 800 MHz if they were to only clock it at 550 MHz, plus the Wii U GPGPU doesn't seem to drain that much Hz to be running at 800 MHz. We use to thought the 3DS & Vita did 15.3 & 33 Million Polygons, but then we found out it was actually: 3DS = 160Mtriangle/s & PS Vita = 140Mtriangle/s. And we use to thought the PICA200 was 200 MHz because of overheating but then we found out it only drains 0.5 Hz at 400 MHz max clock frequency.

Plus the Wii U seems to use a custom made GPU like the GameCube, which means it will use its Custom Made GPU to do 3D while the PS4 has to use one of its CPU function cores to do 3D but still will have most of that core to use for other stuff.

Its best to wait 2 years after release of Hardware to truly get a sense of Hardware Specs, if history of 8th Gen systems has thought us anything.

LOL for me not picking up on it.

So it is something like 5 to 10 times more powerful then Wii U as I earlier thought after all, right?