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curl-6 on 26 June 2013
HoloDust said:
Zero999 said:
HoloDust said:

I see you post from time to time about hardware, and I'm afraid it's too obvious from your posts that you know very little about how stuff works (mistaking 1 core from APU for GPU being obvious pointer to that).

I strongly suggest, for start, to dig through some threads here (Superchunk's comparison thread is, mostly, accurate enough) if you really want to learn a bit or two about PS4/XOne/WiiU.

Oh, and unlike what some people here living in Phantasy Kingdom believe, the gap between them is, unfortunately, really big - but that's what you get when you ditch successful Wii design, and instead of better innards you go for Gamepad.

and here comes the shitstorm again.

Wii u unknown number of GFLOPS but the 500-700 range is a safe bet. if we get the midle option it's like this: Wii u 600 gflops vs Xone 1200 gflops and ps4 1800 gflops. that's with all three sharing the same modern tools and in the diminishing returns era = not a big difference.

Instead of trying to offend me why don't you try countering my arguments with something better than "that's not true because I say so" wich is what you've been doing so far.

Why? Cause I tried once, but you seem to be beyond salvation.

And what arguments would be that exactly? You mean your belief that you can cram 480 shaders part in such a small space @40nm fab? Cause that's what you need to get above 500GLOPS at 550MHz clock rate. 700 GFLOPS? And you wonder why I laugh? You need 640 shaders at that clock for that. Unless you think Nintendo uses alien tech, I really can't figure out, if you ever bothered to dig bit deeper than your beliefs, where you're coming up with this numbers. (Not to mention that GFLOPS are completely meaningless when comparing PS4/XOne vs WiiU architecture, cause GCN is way more efficient than VLIW5)

Go research a bit, there's plenty of info out there, if you're really interested in anything but your "safe bets", and then we can perhaps have a discussion.

Ninjablade and zero999 are two sides of the same coin; both very committed to an ideology but very ill informed when it comes to tech.



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ninjablade on 26 June 2013
curl-6 said:
ninjablade said:
g911turbo said:
ninjablade said:

even fourth storm from neogaf, the person that made the pic of the wiiu gpu possible thinks its 176 gflops, the majority of tech heads with out a biased agenda think its 176 gflops, best case scenerio is 350 gflops.

Lets be honest here.  At 176 GFLOPS, the Wii U would not have ANY better looking ports (NFS:MW) or games like X, Mario Kart, etc.  Saying so just makes you sound like an idiot.

I cannot believe you're 28.  I call BS, because you post like you're 12. 


maybe you should go read the tech thread before you go insulting people, if the wiiu has 176 glops they are more effeciant then xenos, and add 512mb of ram, and they would be able to achieve 360 like visuals but these are tech heads saying  that, you know the person that actually payed money to get the wiiu gpu pics and many others as well, i guess there all idiots and your the smart one.

The "tech heads" are still making assumptions based on incomplete information. They can't all be right since so many disagree.

thats people thats mostly desagree have heavy biased and can't handle the truth that the wiiu is on par with current gen, if the wiiu is a 320sp gpu every multiplatform game should have a clear advantage, but thats not the case, everything points to a 160 shader gpu and watch dogs and assian creed 4 will confrim this if they are not much better then the current gen versions.



ninjablade on 26 June 2013
curl-6 said:
HoloDust said:
Zero999 said:
HoloDust said:

I see you post from time to time about hardware, and I'm afraid it's too obvious from your posts that you know very little about how stuff works (mistaking 1 core from APU for GPU being obvious pointer to that).

I strongly suggest, for start, to dig through some threads here (Superchunk's comparison thread is, mostly, accurate enough) if you really want to learn a bit or two about PS4/XOne/WiiU.

Oh, and unlike what some people here living in Phantasy Kingdom believe, the gap between them is, unfortunately, really big - but that's what you get when you ditch successful Wii design, and instead of better innards you go for Gamepad.

and here comes the shitstorm again.

Wii u unknown number of GFLOPS but the 500-700 range is a safe bet. if we get the midle option it's like this: Wii u 600 gflops vs Xone 1200 gflops and ps4 1800 gflops. that's with all three sharing the same modern tools and in the diminishing returns era = not a big difference.

Instead of trying to offend me why don't you try countering my arguments with something better than "that's not true because I say so" wich is what you've been doing so far.

Why? Cause I tried once, but you seem to be beyond salvation.

And what arguments would be that exactly? You mean your belief that you can cram 480 shaders part in such a small space @40nm fab? Cause that's what you need to get above 500GLOPS at 550MHz clock rate. 700 GFLOPS? And you wonder why I laugh? You need 640 shaders at that clock for that. Unless you think Nintendo uses alien tech, I really can't figure out, if you ever bothered to dig bit deeper than your beliefs, where you're coming up with this numbers. (Not to mention that GFLOPS are completely meaningless when comparing PS4/XOne vs WiiU architecture, cause GCN is way more efficient than VLIW5)

Go research a bit, there's plenty of info out there, if you're really interested in anything but your "safe bets", and then we can perhaps have a discussion.

Ninjablade and zero999 are two sides of the same coin; both very committed to an ideology but very ill informed when it comes to tech.

except most things i say is  true and not making crap up like wiiu gpu is 500-700, i clearly stated that 160 sp is the best guess at moment and this coming from tech heads, unlike zero where he's clearly make crap up.



Zero999 on 26 June 2013
g911turbo said:
ninjablade said:

even fourth storm from neogaf, the person that made the pic of the wiiu gpu possible thinks its 176 gflops, the majority of tech heads with out a biased agenda think its 176 gflops, best case scenerio is 350 gflops.

Lets be honest here.  At 176 GFLOPS, the Wii U would not have ANY better looking ports (NFS:MW) or games like X, Mario Kart, etc.  Saying so just makes you sound like an idiot.

I cannot believe you're 28.  I call BS, because you post like you're 12. 

he can't say anything more to look idiot, that job is long done.



curl-6 on 26 June 2013
ninjablade said:
curl-6 said:
ninjablade said:
g911turbo said:
ninjablade said:

even fourth storm from neogaf, the person that made the pic of the wiiu gpu possible thinks its 176 gflops, the majority of tech heads with out a biased agenda think its 176 gflops, best case scenerio is 350 gflops.

Lets be honest here.  At 176 GFLOPS, the Wii U would not have ANY better looking ports (NFS:MW) or games like X, Mario Kart, etc.  Saying so just makes you sound like an idiot.

I cannot believe you're 28.  I call BS, because you post like you're 12. 


maybe you should go read the tech thread before you go insulting people, if the wiiu has 176 glops they are more effeciant then xenos, and add 512mb of ram, and they would be able to achieve 360 like visuals but these are tech heads saying  that, you know the person that actually payed money to get the wiiu gpu pics and many others as well, i guess there all idiots and your the smart one.

The "tech heads" are still making assumptions based on incomplete information. They can't all be right since so many disagree.

thats people thats mostly desagree have heavy biased and can't handle the truth that the wiiu is on par with current gen, if the wiiu is a 320sp gpu every multiplatform game should have a clear advantage, but thats not the case, everything points to a 160 shader gpu and watch dogs and assian creed 4 will confrim this if they are not much better then the current gen versions.

So you're just choosing to disregard the views those whose views don't serve your agenda. Sure, everyone agrees, except the ones who don't. Again, you referring to anyone else as biased is rather hilarious, frankly.



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Zero999 on 26 June 2013
curl-6 said:
Zero999 said:
curl-6 said:
cablebox said:

good for you but that doesn't make them to advance for the current gen hardware

I'd disagree. Wii U has more than twice as much RAM as PS3 and 360, and X and Bayo 2 look like they make use of this with their detailed expansive backdrops.

The edram makes the actual performance of RAM be quite more than "twice the ps360".

You're saying this based on it having 32MB of eDRAM versus 10MB on 360?

yes and also many devs praising the memory efficiency.



curl-6 on 26 June 2013
ninjablade said:
curl-6 said:

Ninjablade and zero999 are two sides of the same coin; both very committed to an ideology but very ill informed when it comes to tech.

except most things i say is  true and not making crap up like wiiu gpu is 500-700, i clearly stated that 160 sp is the best guess at moment and this coming from tech heads, unlike zero where he's clearly make crap up.

You do try to pass off assumptions as fact though, like Mario Kart being 720p.



orniletter on 26 June 2013
curl-6 said:
orniletter said:
the thread that keeps giving...

I know, it's like junk food, I know it's got no real value, but it's just too fun to stop!


just be cautious...or else....

 

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ninjablade on 26 June 2013
curl-6 said:
ninjablade said:
curl-6 said:
ninjablade said:
g911turbo said:
ninjablade said:

even fourth storm from neogaf, the person that made the pic of the wiiu gpu possible thinks its 176 gflops, the majority of tech heads with out a biased agenda think its 176 gflops, best case scenerio is 350 gflops.

Lets be honest here.  At 176 GFLOPS, the Wii U would not have ANY better looking ports (NFS:MW) or games like X, Mario Kart, etc.  Saying so just makes you sound like an idiot.

I cannot believe you're 28.  I call BS, because you post like you're 12. 


maybe you should go read the tech thread before you go insulting people, if the wiiu has 176 glops they are more effeciant then xenos, and add 512mb of ram, and they would be able to achieve 360 like visuals but these are tech heads saying  that, you know the person that actually payed money to get the wiiu gpu pics and many others as well, i guess there all idiots and your the smart one.

The "tech heads" are still making assumptions based on incomplete information. They can't all be right since so many disagree.

thats people thats mostly desagree have heavy biased and can't handle the truth that the wiiu is on par with current gen, if the wiiu is a 320sp gpu every multiplatform game should have a clear advantage, but thats not the case, everything points to a 160 shader gpu and watch dogs and assian creed 4 will confrim this if they are not much better then the current gen versions.

So you're just choosing to disregard the views those whose views don't serve your agenda. Sure, everyone agrees, except the ones who don't. Again, you referring to anyone else as biased is rather hilarious, frankly.

because i read neogaf a lot and i know the posters there, i know who can be trusted, people that are denying the 160sp are saying how can it be on par with 360 if its only 160 sp and they have explained many times already. anyway there are a few more multiplatform games coming out, if they are on par with current or worst then we can confirm its 160sp based on the evidence.



Viper1 on 26 June 2013
ninjablade said:


maybe you should go read the tech thread before you go insulting people, if the wiiu has 176 glops they are more effeciant then xenos, and add 512mb of ram, and they would be able to achieve 360 like visuals but these are tech heads saying  that, you know the person that actually payed money to get the wiiu gpu pics and many others as well, i guess there all idiots and your the smart one.

Funny.  I hear 352 GFLOPS from most of them.  But naturally, you're going to side with whomever has the lowest projection.

I think it's also pretty obvious that 176 likely wouldn't be capable of rendering what we've seen so far.

 

And even the 352 figure is conservative as that is based solely on the transistor count we know of.  If all that unknown space is also shader units, very possible, it could be 528 GFLOPS.



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