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ethomaz said:
Imaginedvl said:

Stop being arrogant in your replies; I'm getting tired of it...

Now, you are obviously just biased toward Sony and everything Microsoft is saying is basicaly BS... Also your "speculation" about Trial/Demo is totaly coming out of nowhere...There is a huge difference between rumors based on dev. kits or internal sources and people making things up on the internet.
You tend to believe anything (even without any "official" source) if it is anti-MS in the smallest... But when there is somthing good; these are just PR bullshit...

I'm not blind and I know that Microsoft/Sony PR are saying a lot of stupid things; but when someone from Microsoft (more than one person actually) clearly explain something and the only thing you have to put against is a completly made up speculation; I'm sorry but; it does not make you very credible...

Nobody is being arrogant in the replies here... neither me or Ben... please, don't panic.

Why are you talking about Ben? I'm talking to you and only you... Ben is actually able to debate without any kind of disrespect in his replies; just do the same.

And yes you are arrogant by implying I cannot understanding what you are saying just because I disagree with you. and the way you are "stating" it is arrogant.
Your "please don't panic" is also another kind of your irrespectful. If you have issue debating in a thread, just stop replying but do not become irrespectfull toward other members please.



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I still don't understand why ethomaz posts in xbox threads, he has never had an xbox and has always hated ms.



Imaginedvl said:

Why are you talking about Ben? I'm talking to you and only you... Ben is actually able to debate without any kind of disrespect in his replies; just do the same.

And yes you are arrogant by implying I cannot understanding what you are saying just because I disagree with you. and the way you are "stating" it is arrogant.
Your "please don't panic" is also another kind of your irrespectful. If you have issue debating in a thread, just stop replying but do not become irrespectfull toward other members please.

I already said I'm fine with your opinion so don't panic... accept that I have another opinion and move on.

It is simples... stop to call the people that didn't agree with you arrogant... you can be banned for that.

PS. You called Ben arrogant too.



ethomaz said:
Imaginedvl said:

Why are you talking about Ben? I'm talking to you and only you... Ben is actually able to debate without any kind of disrespect in his replies; just do the same.

And yes you are arrogant by implying I cannot understanding what you are saying just because I disagree with you. and the way you are "stating" it is arrogant.
Your "please don't panic" is also another kind of your irrespectful. If you have issue debating in a thread, just stop replying but do not become irrespectfull toward other members please.

I already said I'm fine with your opinion so don't panic... accept that I have another opinion and move on.

It is simples... stop to call the people that didn't agree with you arrogant... you can be banned for that.

I'm actually reporting you for that. The "don't panic" in every of your reply is insulting and arrogant.
You are just running the thread by replying to people with your "don't panic" and completly runing the discussion. And when you want someone to get your points, no need to come with "here is a hint for you" like the other one is an idiot and could not understand the obvious :)



Don't blame the "minority". If MS really believed in it, then they'd stay with their plans for the "majority". Who cares about the "minority"?



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Fifaguy360 said:
Don't blame the "minority". If MS really believed in it, then they'd stay with their plans for the "majority". Who cares about the "minority"?

Well even if we can arg about the size of that "minority"; I think it is obvious that at the end it was because of low pre-order.



Imaginedvl said:

I'm actually reporting you for that. The "don't panic" in every of your reply is insulting and arrogant.
You are just running the thread by replying to people with your "don't panic" and completly runing the discussion. And when you want someone to get your points, no need to come with "here is a hint for you" like the other one is an idiot and could not understand the obvious :)

Feel free to do what you want... I already said I'm fine.



thranx said:
Nem said:

Pretty funny that the vocal minority seemed to be in the majority when the cheers happened on the Sony press conference. This idea that progress comes at the cost of the rights of the consumer needs to go away.

What microsoft presented us with is not, nor will be the innovation or the future. It needs to be tweaked and you need to give the consumer a choice and not force it down their throats. It just wouldnt ever happen in the form microsoft was trying to do it.

Nothing was lost here. On the contrary. We're now on the right track.


take a look at the steam thread about the same thing. it would have been a great thing for people, just like steam has been great for consumers of PC games. Its too bad there is no innovation this gen from sony or nintendo. Just more of the same. No new inputs, no new groundbreaking anything. what is there to be excited for? Suped up versions of previous consoles? thats what PC are for. I feel the industry is shooting itself in the foot right now. Hopeful;ly the wii u succeeds at least.


You dont understand. Steam practices low prices, microsoft would never do that.

This might've worked with PSN cause Sony is very dynamic with the prices and sales, but on Xbox live it would be near theft.

People forget that the situation on the PC is quite different. PC was rampant with piracy. The consoles arent because there are many ways to prevent it like the system updates mandatory for Shop view and multiplayer. This means that you cant mod your console or you will lose several benefits. This wasnt the case on the PC, so the only option was steam with DRm but low prices. The low prices are paramount to the acceptance of digital content. Microsoft will never adopt that model.

Also, there is no innovation in that. What a silly thing to say. We can have our digital copies on our consoles today and we dont need DRM for them. What kind of benefit was microsoft adding to that? None, they were making it more restrictive.



BenVTrigger said:
You guys defending MS and saying how great sharing was and how MS digital future was for the consumer and was fantastic are hilarious.

Just be glad you didn't get the full story. Cause you would have at Gamescom and none of this had anything to do with helping you and EVERYTHING to do with controlling you and how you spend your money.

There was no "story to tell" and I wish you would've seen the real picture.

I don't think most people need your special access to see how MS was screwing them over, and would probably screw them further in the future when consumers were locked in to their system. (Hence the internet out-cry, low pre order numbers, and big reversal). The only people that are still resistant to that idea, I don't think could ever be swayed no matter how much evidence you put in front of them.

That said, if you ever feel like sharing some info, everyone else here I'm sure is all ears. 

If only there was some way to do it anonymously.. ;) 



disolitude said:

Fun passionate article...

I can't say I agree with everything he is saying (certanly not calling people morons and idiots), but the story makes a point.  As someone who like technology as much as gaming I am certanly dissapointed that the gaming industry isn't doing anything new next gen and will not be on par with other cutting edge tech products. 

C'est la vie

 

http://microsoft-news.com/a-vocal-minority-of-idiots-journalists-ruin-innovations-on-the-xbox-one/

A Vocal Minority Of Idiots (& Journalists) Ruin Innovations On The Xbox One

 

The Xbox One reverses its course on DRM, great news, right? Wrong.  While part of the developer story still remains to be seen at the BUILD conference, what we have now is a console that is not too much different than the Xbox 360 (Xbox 361?) or the PS4 for that matter.  Earlier today a Microsoft spokesman confirmed that

  • Your entire games collection will no longer be available from the cloud.
  • Playing disc based games will requite will require the disc for playback.
  • Also, we will no longer offer family game sharing from the cloud.
  • The sharing of games will work as it does on Xbox 360, you’ll simply share the disc.
  • Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold

The Xbox One originally saw itself as an authentically digital device, and now we take a step backwards where people are stuck with their discs.  When is the last time you saw a PC Gamer complaining about not being able to re-sell their used game on Steam.  Microsoft was originally also allowing you to share games with up to 10 friends.  Imagine a family where a Dad and his two sons want to play Halo against each other.  With the Xbox One, they would only need one copy of Halo, now with the changed rules, they need to buy three.

gizmodo made a nice list of some possible scenarios that would have been possible with the Xbox One, but are not longer.

  • Every game you bought, physical or digital, would be tied to your account. This would eliminate current-gen problems like buying a disc, and then being unable to store it or download it from the cloud.
  • Because every single game, physical or digital, would be tied to an account, publishers couldcreate a hub to sell and resell the games digitally. Let’s refer to these as “licenses” from here, even though it’s a loaded term.
  • Because reselling games would now work through a hub, publishers could make money on resold games.
  • Here is how this makes sense for YOU: New games could then be cheaper. Why? Publishers KNOW that they will not make money on resold games, so they charge more to you, the first buyer. You are paying for others’ rights to use your game in the future. If the old system had gone into place, you would likely have seen game prices drop. Or, at the very least, it could have staved off price increases.
  • You also would have started getting a better return on your “used” games—because a license does not have to be resold at a diminished rate.
  • How do you know that this would have been the case? Because that’s exactly what happens on Steam. But wait!, you shout. Steam is CHEAP cheap, and it has crazy sales. We love Steam! Micro$oft is nothing like that. Well, no, it isn’t now, but Steam was once $team, too. It was not always popular, and its licensing model was once heavily maligned. Given time, though, it’s now the only way almost every PC gamer wants to play games.
  • Sharing games would have worked either by activating your Live account on someone else’s Xbox One, or by including them in your 10-person share plan, which would not have been limited to “family.”. Details on that had been scarse, but even the strictest limitations (one other person playing any of the shared games from your account) would have been a HUGE improvement over the none that we have now. We don’t get that now.
  • The 24-hour check-in would have been necessary for the X1′s store, which it is not for Steam, because the physical product (game discs) would still be available. This check-in, literally bytes of data exchanged, would confirm that the games installed were not gaming the system in a convoluted install-here-and-then-go-offline-and-I’ll-go-home-and-check-in-and-go-offline-too-and-we’ll-both-use-the-game methods.

There is something ironic about people going online to complain about the 24-hr check on the Xbox One.  We had people complaining about the theoretical possibility of not being able to play their game offline after 24 hours, from people who have not been offline for 24 seconds in the past year.  I’m sitting here dumbfounded that Microsoft listened to 14 year olds on reddit and twitter.  Microsoft listened to a vocal minority of morons and idiots, there is no other way to put it more nicely than that.

I also want to call out Tom Warren and other douchebag journalists who helped spread FUD about the Xbox and DRM and are now changing their narrative to say Microsoft should have stuck to their guns after realizing what they done.  Here is a tweet from Mr. Warren “Ultimately, Microsoft’s plan was brave and innovative with the Xbox One. All they should have done is be more honest and explained it better.”Tom should be embarrassed, it was his website (The Verge) that was largely responsible for spreading untruths about the Xbox One.  Maybe as a “journalist” he should have written some articles to clear up the confusion.  Tom likes to try to play it both ways here.  Microsoft was crystal clear as to exactly what was going on in blog posts on Xbox News.

Microsoft will never win the PR war ever.  The introduction of the start menu in Win8 solves nothing and did not help anybody like Windows 8 more.  The removal of this DRM will do little to change people’s minds about the Xbox One.  The tech press has and always will hate Microsoft.  Even with this reversal nobody has changed their mind about buying an Xbox One.  This complaining was all inside the tech circle jerk bubble.  Microsoft needs to learn to stick to its guns and stop listening to minority crowd of morons and anti-Microsoft “journalists.”

Ultimately, I think Microsoft thought there was too much damage being done and they did not want the PS4 to gain a significant advantage over the Xbox One.  Also as easily as these features were taken out they can be added back in. As they old saying goes If you throw a frog into a pot of boiling water, he’ll jump out.  But if you place a frog into a pot of lukewarm water and slowly turn up the heat, it will boil to death. And so it is with inflation.  In this case the DRM was too much for the typical moron gamer and Microsoft will have to slowly introduce these features over the next decade.

I’m saddened by Microsoft’s decision.  For the first time I was genuinely interested in buying an Xbox, and now I am much less so.  To idiot gamers out there and moron journalists, I hope you got what you wanted.  Thanks for running it for everybody.

Wow your crying is ceaseless. 

First Microsoft already confirmed that the family share did not allow people to play the same game at the same time. So your little heart felt diatribe about a father and his 2 sons playing together is complete bull shit. Furthermore, new information came out that this cut feature was just a timed full game demo that prompted the family member to purchase the game after their demo time expired. 

You act like MS and would put out this magic system where people can easily resell their digital games for a ton of money. MS can still link digital games to an id if they wanted to and they could create a market place to resell digital purchases assuming they pay Apple who copyrighted the idea. 

The fact that MS chose to remove the games from the cloud is on them. They chose to remove them, they chose to stop allowing family sharing. Disc based purchases should require a disc that is just common sense.  

People never asked for this they asked Microsoft to allow them to play their purchased games offline if they want to. They asked for the ability to own their games. 

Microsoft chose to take the rest of this off the table that is on them. Want to get pissy about something get pissy about Microsoft removing features they did not have too.