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oniyide on 20 June 2013
JoeFlex said:
oniyide said:
They could give us entertainment without the restrictions, or am I wrong. Dont know why some people insisted that we needed that much restrictions.


I am in agreement. I don't see why they would need that level of restrictions to entertain us, but as they highlighted, it is 'the future' so it was 'necessary'. We will see how they handle it.

well anyone with half a brain could have seen that was untrue PR BS at its worst. IMHO, if you are that worried dont buy it, that way it will have no effect on you at all. 



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disolitude on 20 June 2013

I learned 3 things out of this whole fiasco:

1. Microsofts market research didn’t detect just how immature console gamers are but the backlash and need for the 180 proves it loud and clear. There is no moving forward in this market for at least one more generation.

2. Irresponsible “journalists” and sensational reporting are the reason one of the greatest things that could’ve happened to console gaming is now dead.

3. I have nothing in common with most console gamers barking on the internet about this and really don't want anything to do with "hardcore" gaming moving forward.



Ganoncrotch on 20 June 2013
JoeFlex said:

I was happy to hear Microsoft's announcement today since I'm a huge fan of Halo and Gears, and I was willing to skip them due to their policies. However, I still have this unsettling feeling about the company and the direction they want to go to. They made their intentions clear at E3 and the weeks prior, and I am unsure if that is the direction I want to go. I will still get the XBO, but definitely not at launch. I will observe them to see how they handle it. Say what you want about Nintendo, but I get a good vybe from them, and in some respects Sony as well. Microsoft = ? for me right now.

I read this from Eurogamer, and I find I agree with the section below

 

"Microsoft's new policies tell us what it is going to do in the first days of Xbox One, but they don't tell us that its desires have changed, and those desires were responsible for the old policies. Those desires were on full display at E3 last week, where Xbox executives repeatedly manoeuvred the conversation towards connected experiences and the portable game library, arguing that the choices we were losing were not as important as the benefits we gained. This is not true. It is more accurate to say that the choices we would lose are not as important to Microsoft as the resulting alternative. The reason that the original Xbox One policies were attractive to Microsoft is because it wants to own the living room with an Xbox service that can rival iTunes, and they would have been a very neat fit with that objective.

I started off my original post about game ownership by quoting something I wrote during E3 in 2012. "If we are entertained by what Microsoft chooses to do for its own gain," I suggested, "then that is simply a happy coincidence." The coincidence was over, I concluded, because Xbox One's original DRM policies were devastating. All I can conclude today is that the coincidence has been extended. To judge by what Microsoft said at E3, it has probably been done so reluctantly. I see nothing to suggest that the desire behind its original decisions has changed, and until Microsoft convinces me that it understands the significance to gaming of ownership and legacy, I will find it hard not to be pessimistic."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-19-microsoft-restores-game-ownership-and-expects-us-to-smile

 

So, what do you guys think? It doesn't matter if you wanted an XBO from the beginning or not. I just want to hear the thought of different gamers with respect to this topic.

 

couldn't agree more, as a 360 fan all this gen that trust is now gone, if sony hadn't dug their heels in and said they're on the side of gamers you know that MS would have not given 2 shits about the consumer.



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disolitude on 20 June 2013
ganoncrotch said:
JoeFlex said:

I was happy to hear Microsoft's announcement today since I'm a huge fan of Halo and Gears, and I was willing to skip them due to their policies. However, I still have this unsettling feeling about the company and the direction they want to go to. They made their intentions clear at E3 and the weeks prior, and I am unsure if that is the direction I want to go. I will still get the XBO, but definitely not at launch. I will observe them to see how they handle it. Say what you want about Nintendo, but I get a good vybe from them, and in some respects Sony as well. Microsoft = ? for me right now.

I read this from Eurogamer, and I find I agree with the section below

 

"Microsoft's new policies tell us what it is going to do in the first days of Xbox One, but they don't tell us that its desires have changed, and those desires were responsible for the old policies. Those desires were on full display at E3 last week, where Xbox executives repeatedly manoeuvred the conversation towards connected experiences and the portable game library, arguing that the choices we were losing were not as important as the benefits we gained. This is not true. It is more accurate to say that the choices we would lose are not as important to Microsoft as the resulting alternative. The reason that the original Xbox One policies were attractive to Microsoft is because it wants to own the living room with an Xbox service that can rival iTunes, and they would have been a very neat fit with that objective.

I started off my original post about game ownership by quoting something I wrote during E3 in 2012. "If we are entertained by what Microsoft chooses to do for its own gain," I suggested, "then that is simply a happy coincidence." The coincidence was over, I concluded, because Xbox One's original DRM policies were devastating. All I can conclude today is that the coincidence has been extended. To judge by what Microsoft said at E3, it has probably been done so reluctantly. I see nothing to suggest that the desire behind its original decisions has changed, and until Microsoft convinces me that it understands the significance to gaming of ownership and legacy, I will find it hard not to be pessimistic."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-19-microsoft-restores-game-ownership-and-expects-us-to-smile

 

So, what do you guys think? It doesn't matter if you wanted an XBO from the beginning or not. I just want to hear the thought of different gamers with respect to this topic.

 

couldn't agree more, as a 360 fan all this gen that trust is now gone, if sony hadn't dug their heels in and said they're on the side of gamers you know that MS would have not given 2 shits about the consumer.

What are you people talking about? Is this about them shutting down servers in 10 years and a chance of you losing your gaming purchases when they do so?



Ganoncrotch on 20 June 2013
disolitude said:
ganoncrotch said:
JoeFlex said:

I was happy to hear Microsoft's announcement today since I'm a huge fan of Halo and Gears, and I was willing to skip them due to their policies. However, I still have this unsettling feeling about the company and the direction they want to go to. They made their intentions clear at E3 and the weeks prior, and I am unsure if that is the direction I want to go. I will still get the XBO, but definitely not at launch. I will observe them to see how they handle it. Say what you want about Nintendo, but I get a good vybe from them, and in some respects Sony as well. Microsoft = ? for me right now.

I read this from Eurogamer, and I find I agree with the section below

 

"Microsoft's new policies tell us what it is going to do in the first days of Xbox One, but they don't tell us that its desires have changed, and those desires were responsible for the old policies. Those desires were on full display at E3 last week, where Xbox executives repeatedly manoeuvred the conversation towards connected experiences and the portable game library, arguing that the choices we were losing were not as important as the benefits we gained. This is not true. It is more accurate to say that the choices we would lose are not as important to Microsoft as the resulting alternative. The reason that the original Xbox One policies were attractive to Microsoft is because it wants to own the living room with an Xbox service that can rival iTunes, and they would have been a very neat fit with that objective.

I started off my original post about game ownership by quoting something I wrote during E3 in 2012. "If we are entertained by what Microsoft chooses to do for its own gain," I suggested, "then that is simply a happy coincidence." The coincidence was over, I concluded, because Xbox One's original DRM policies were devastating. All I can conclude today is that the coincidence has been extended. To judge by what Microsoft said at E3, it has probably been done so reluctantly. I see nothing to suggest that the desire behind its original decisions has changed, and until Microsoft convinces me that it understands the significance to gaming of ownership and legacy, I will find it hard not to be pessimistic."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-19-microsoft-restores-game-ownership-and-expects-us-to-smile

 

So, what do you guys think? It doesn't matter if you wanted an XBO from the beginning or not. I just want to hear the thought of different gamers with respect to this topic.

 

couldn't agree more, as a 360 fan all this gen that trust is now gone, if sony hadn't dug their heels in and said they're on the side of gamers you know that MS would have not given 2 shits about the consumer.

What are you people talking about? Is this about them shutting down servers in 10 years and a chance of you losing your gaming purchases when they do so?

From your previous post I'm afraid I in know way wish to try and "win you over" nor discuss your views on gaming and gamers, we're just in different camps mate. Not in anyway trying to offend you btw, I just really feel that nothing good for either would come from a back and forth.



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oniyide on 20 June 2013

LMAO so terrible DRM on consoles was moving the industry forward? oh thats good? and someone is salty because they were in the obvious minority of people who thought what MS was doing was a good thing? OK



disolitude on 20 June 2013
ganoncrotch said:
disolitude said:

 

What are you people talking about? Is this about them shutting down servers in 10 years and a chance of you losing your gaming purchases when they do so?

From your previous post I'm afraid I in know way wish to try and "win you over" nor discuss your views on gaming and gamers, we're just in different camps mate. Not in anyway trying to offend you btw, I just really feel that nothing good for either would come from a back and forth.


Resonably put...



disolitude on 20 June 2013
oniyide said:
LMAO so terrible DRM on consoles was moving the industry forward? oh thats good? and someone is salty because they were in the obvious minority of people who thought what MS was doing was a good thing? OK

Go listen to Britney Spears and eat at Mcdonalds if you want to be a majority. Doesn't mean your taste is any good...



oniyide on 20 June 2013
disolitude said:
oniyide said:
LMAO so terrible DRM on consoles was moving the industry forward? oh thats good? and someone is salty because they were in the obvious minority of people who thought what MS was doing was a good thing? OK

Go listen to Britney Spears and eat at Mcdonalds if you want to be a majority. Doesn't mean your taste is any good...

never said it was, and Britney? Really you should have used something more recent. It sucks being in the minority, but most people werent happy so they changed. Just gonna have to deal with it.



nanarchy on 20 June 2013
oniyide said:
LMAO so terrible DRM on consoles was moving the industry forward? oh thats good? and someone is salty because they were in the obvious minority of people who thought what MS was doing was a good thing? OK

DRM while unpalatable to many is currently the only way to move forward if like myself you consider digital as moving forward. I hate and despise disks, they are something to get lost/damaged/stolen and the requirement to put it in the drive is an pointless irritation that results from lack of good DRM solution. The online every 24 hours I think was at best an average idea for implementing it and was terribly marketed. However a well thought out DRM strategy that allowed me to move to digital only where my library follows me and not the physical disk while still retaining my rights to sell/loan/share my game to me is the future. This could be done by including certificates or unique identifiers in disks and with downloads giving the best of both worlds (ie not crippling offline play while still giving full benefits of a digital world).