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JoeFlex on 19 June 2013
gergroy said:
JoeFlex said:
JWeinCom said:
I think the important thing is the policies are gone. Clearly this is not what they desired, but they realized that the market would not buy what they were selling, and they changed it. I don't really need our desires to be aligned, I need them to cater to my desires if they want my money, and they seem to be doing that. I'm not looking for a soulmate here, I'm looking for a game console. Microsoft's "desires" are quite irrelevant to me so long as they make good games and don't put unwanted restrictions on them


That's one way too look at it, and while I disagree with you, I respect your opinion. Those polices could be short term - a bandaid - in the sense that they were only done to please people in the short run before reverting to their original agenda.  And their desires are not irrelevant, otherwise people would not have made such a fuss over their policies.

part of their clarifaction later in the day said they would not be going back on the policies for the rest of the gen.  Makes sense, you can't really change a product like that once it is on the market.  

That being said, I don't think Microsoft even knew what they desired.  Their executives were out their promoting this thing half heartedly and aimlessly.  They never even came close to making a case for it.  Obviously there was a lot of inner turmoil going on within the company as their messaging was all over the place.  The problem isn't that Microsoft had misaligned desires, it is that Microsoft didn't even know what their desires were.  

Perhaps, now, Microsoft can take a step back and re-calibrate.  Figure out what kind of product they actually want the x1 to be and get the thing back on track.  


Hello, thank you for your contribution. Well said ..

I do not expect them to rollback on their policies. I believe that would be foolish. But that doesn't mean they won't try to revert in some other way down the line.

Well ... that's an interesting interpretation of things. I viewed it as them fully knowing their desires, but unable to communicate it in such a way to accommodate gamers, especially since the majority of us clearly do not care for the direction they are interested in. It seemed like their vision required gaming as an additional feature and not the core. I would say that I agree with you in the sense that they did not fully know their desires, but with respect to gaming. I am sure they are aware of their overarching vision. Plus, I got the sense some of the execs only backtracked and contradicted other speakers due to the overwhelming negative reaction to their policies. I'm not suggesting I disagree with you, but I'm just expressing what I thought initially.

And I too hope they will take the time to regroup and decide what is best, given the response of consumers.



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JoeFlex on 19 June 2013
Fifaguy360 said:
JoeFlex said:
Gamegears said:
No it just means they realized the XBOX One as it was was going to fail epically after the initial release.. once they saw the response they got on FB and paid attention to gaming sites... and they had to change it drastically.. (The Online DRM Policies) Or get out of the business... cause gamers aren't having that...


Exactly, with the key words there being initial release. So I wonder, will they continue along those lines, or will they revert in some way to achieve their original vision? Would it be too risky for them to do something along those lines?


I'm not educated in law, but I read on another forum members saying they wouldn't be able to just turn on DRM mid-lifecycle legally. But let's say for arguments sake, they can do it. Sony would again say NO DRM then collect all the future X1 buyers and maybe pick up a heap of people crossing to PS4 and after that...majority will not trust MS again. It doesn't make long term sense for them any way you try to see it.

Thank you for your contribution. I too don't think they will implement them down the line. It would erode the little social capital they have left. The backlash would be immense, but it leaves me wondering if they will try some other stunt equally distasteful (down the line).



oniyide on 19 June 2013
Fifaguy360 said:
JoeFlex said:
Gamegears said:
No it just means they realized the XBOX One as it was was going to fail epically after the initial release.. once they saw the response they got on FB and paid attention to gaming sites... and they had to change it drastically.. (The Online DRM Policies) Or get out of the business... cause gamers aren't having that...


Exactly, with the key words there being initial release. So I wonder, will they continue along those lines, or will they revert in some way to achieve their original vision? Would it be too risky for them to do something along those lines?


I'm not educated in law, but I read on another forum members saying they wouldn't be able to just turn on DRM mid-lifecycle legally. But let's say for arguments sake, they can do it. Sony would again say NO DRM then collect all the future X1 buyers and maybe pick up a heap of people crossing to PS4 and after that...majority will not trust MS again. It doesn't make long term sense for them any way you try to see it.

This, i dont see it happening either, as that would cause just as much backlash and i dont think even MS will stoop to that.  IMHO i think they just saw the ass whipping coming and decided to get better gloves



JoeFlex on 19 June 2013
oniyide said:
Fifaguy360 said:
JoeFlex said:
Gamegears said:
No it just means they realized the XBOX One as it was was going to fail epically after the initial release.. once they saw the response they got on FB and paid attention to gaming sites... and they had to change it drastically.. (The Online DRM Policies) Or get out of the business... cause gamers aren't having that...


Exactly, with the key words there being initial release. So I wonder, will they continue along those lines, or will they revert in some way to achieve their original vision? Would it be too risky for them to do something along those lines?


I'm not educated in law, but I read on another forum members saying they wouldn't be able to just turn on DRM mid-lifecycle legally. But let's say for arguments sake, they can do it. Sony would again say NO DRM then collect all the future X1 buyers and maybe pick up a heap of people crossing to PS4 and after that...majority will not trust MS again. It doesn't make long term sense for them any way you try to see it.

This, i dont see it happening either, as that would cause just as much backlash and i dont think even MS will stoop to that.  IMHO i think they just saw the ass whipping coming and decided to get better gloves

So do you think gaming is going to be the core now, or is entertainment going to be the core with gaming tacked on? They were set on the latter, and it seems their polices were in place top support that. What do you think?



JoeFlex on 19 June 2013
Gamegears said:
JoeFlex said:
Gamegears said:
No it just means they realized the XBOX One as it was was going to fail epically after the initial release.. once they saw the response they got on FB and paid attention to gaming sites... and they had to change it drastically.. (The Online DRM Policies) Or get out of the business... cause gamers aren't having that...


Exactly, with the key words there being initial release. So I wonder, will they continue along those lines, or will they revert in some way to achieve their original vision? Would it be too risky for them to do something along those lines?


Right now it would be to risky.. since Sony and Nintendo don't have those kind of policies.. if they were to change their tone... at anytime.. it would make them lose their fan base.. and as thus you would most likely see a lot of One's on store shelves.. now Next Gen.. (If there is one) This may change.. but I think they realise they can't afford to do this.. but I also believe they may try to senak it in.. somehow.. 


That's my main concern. They are set on giving us 'entertainment', and if this is a wrench in their plans, what will they do to support those plans since DRM and the other policies are gone? You don't have to answer. Just throwing that out there.



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ChristianTheAtheist on 19 June 2013
Fifaguy360 said:
JoeFlex said:
Gamegears said:
No it just means they realized the XBOX One as it was was going to fail epically after the initial release.. once they saw the response they got on FB and paid attention to gaming sites... and they had to change it drastically.. (The Online DRM Policies) Or get out of the business... cause gamers aren't having that...


Exactly, with the key words there being initial release. So I wonder, will they continue along those lines, or will they revert in some way to achieve their original vision? Would it be too risky for them to do something along those lines?


I'm not educated in law, but I read on another forum members saying they wouldn't be able to just turn on DRM mid-lifecycle legally. But let's say for arguments sake, they can do it. Sony would again say NO DRM then collect all the future X1 buyers and maybe pick up a heap of people crossing to PS4 and after that...majority will not trust MS again. It doesn't make long term sense for them any way you try to see it.

I don't know about law either, but I think it is possible they can implement it via System Update like Sony did with the PS3 and Linux: They could just say "If you want to play new games you need to upgrade your System to X and accept the new terms and conditions, If you do not agree with them, you should not upgrade and you can keep playing your old games. I'm afraid that Microsoft can use the XBox one as a trojan horse to the policies they intended to implement.



oniyide on 20 June 2013
JoeFlex said:
oniyide said:
Fifaguy360 said:
JoeFlex said:
Gamegears said:
No it just means they realized the XBOX One as it was was going to fail epically after the initial release.. once they saw the response they got on FB and paid attention to gaming sites... and they had to change it drastically.. (The Online DRM Policies) Or get out of the business... cause gamers aren't having that...


Exactly, with the key words there being initial release. So I wonder, will they continue along those lines, or will they revert in some way to achieve their original vision? Would it be too risky for them to do something along those lines?


I'm not educated in law, but I read on another forum members saying they wouldn't be able to just turn on DRM mid-lifecycle legally. But let's say for arguments sake, they can do it. Sony would again say NO DRM then collect all the future X1 buyers and maybe pick up a heap of people crossing to PS4 and after that...majority will not trust MS again. It doesn't make long term sense for them any way you try to see it.

This, i dont see it happening either, as that would cause just as much backlash and i dont think even MS will stoop to that.  IMHO i think they just saw the ass whipping coming and decided to get better gloves

So do you think gaming is going to be the core now, or is entertainment going to be the core with gaming tacked on? They were set on the latter, and it seems their polices were in place top support that. What do you think?

it will continue to be gaming core like it should have been all along, dont know what dafuq MS was thing with their set top box crap. There have been devices like that forever, nothing new their, especially since you needed a damn cable box in the first place. Hell Smart TVs do the same damn thing, without having two large ugly boxes. MS was the only one trying to pull that crap and now they are getting away from it. 



oniyide on 20 June 2013

They could give us entertainment without the restrictions, or am I wrong. Dont know why some people insisted that we needed that much restrictions.



JoeFlex on 20 June 2013
ChristianTheAtheist said:
Fifaguy360 said:
JoeFlex said:
Gamegears said:
No it just means they realized the XBOX One as it was was going to fail epically after the initial release.. once they saw the response they got on FB and paid attention to gaming sites... and they had to change it drastically.. (The Online DRM Policies) Or get out of the business... cause gamers aren't having that...


Exactly, with the key words there being initial release. So I wonder, will they continue along those lines, or will they revert in some way to achieve their original vision? Would it be too risky for them to do something along those lines?


I'm not educated in law, but I read on another forum members saying they wouldn't be able to just turn on DRM mid-lifecycle legally. But let's say for arguments sake, they can do it. Sony would again say NO DRM then collect all the future X1 buyers and maybe pick up a heap of people crossing to PS4 and after that...majority will not trust MS again. It doesn't make long term sense for them any way you try to see it.

I don't know about law either, but I think it is possible they can implement it via System Update like Sony did with the PS3 and Linux: They could just say "If you want to play new games you need to upgrade your System to X and accept the new terms and conditions, If you do not agree with them, you should not upgrade and you can keep playing your old games. I'm afraid that Microsoft can use the XBox one as a trojan horse to the policies they intended to implement.


I could not have expressed my concerns any better. That is my worry, and the purpose of this thread really.



JoeFlex on 20 June 2013
oniyide said:
They could give us entertainment without the restrictions, or am I wrong. Dont know why some people insisted that we needed that much restrictions.


I am in agreement. I don't see why they would need that level of restrictions to entertain us, but as they highlighted, it is 'the future' so it was 'necessary'. We will see how they handle it.