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steverhcp02 said:
I mean, from my experience. If I want the new Dan Brown book I can just go to my library and get it since they have 10,000 copies.

Also, since I am totally against literacy, donations, voting and education for children I am naturally against libraries as well.

But, to speak as an adult, library funds are voted on by the taxpayer, they promote literacy in our youth by offering even the poorest youth access to enlighten their minds, they receive donations for a lot/most of their books or programs and they are a constant source of knowledge, research and advancement of the minds of children and teach them important skills and offer a multitude of other programs to encourage the arts.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidvinjamuri/2012/12/11/the-wrong-war-over-ebooks-publishers-vs-libraries/

Also, its not like the librarian just goes into Barnes and Noble and buys a book then puts it on their shelf. There are deals with publishers that ALLOW and ENCOURAGE public libraries.

But I can see your point if you're working for MSFT PR, if not I think you have no point and did no research. But good attempt.

So, there is a conflict with libraries and publishers also.  But, it also looks like they are attempting to work them out, which apparently doesn't seem to be the case with used games.



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crissindahouse said:

well, there are some differences. the real costs for books are for advertisement, distribution and printing of the books. so, if you won't sell as much as you could, you just produce less books. but if you can't sell so many games anymore, you still had already millions of dollars of development costs before the game is even gold.

a used book is also not the same experience for many as a new book because used books clearly look used. many want a new book because it "feels different" to them to have a book without a used look but if you play a game which was already in the console of 50 other people, the graphics are still the same. you only see that it's used when you look at the cover or disc itself but most people buy it because of what you see on your tv screen.

the video game industry is clearly in the worst position of all media if it comes to used products.

you can say it's still our right to buy, sell and lend used but the gaming media has a bigger problem with it as anyone else.

I think you touch on major points here about it.  The videogames/interactive electronic entertainment industry, is facing the worst of all worlds with this.  Products really, really don't degrade at all, when going digital. Also, if they are going to insist on not only adding large team costs to produce, but the added costs of servers to make products viable, they will really increase their costs.  Books, on the other hand, are done by smaller teams.  The industry is so vulnerable now to everything, and also appears to be the must vulnerable.  



aikohualda said:
oh crap i just realize... they wont be able to put xbox one game in the library!!!!
yes they catalog games in the library too...
so much for preserving history using an actual copy.. i guess library will all be digital too... :( so muich for that old scented acid on a 100 year old book... or the smell of that case when you open a game... i might be old school... but i love those smell!!!!!!!


Libraries don't preserve history.  If they do then our local libraries are doing it wrong.  Libraries routinely rid themselves of books that people no longer read, selling them to patrons.

The intention of a library is to provide access to current fiction/non-fiction and reference/research materials, as well as popular media.

Our libraries here also provide access to an entire library of ebooks.  So, suggesting they can't also provide access to digital copies of games doesn't exactly work.  The question is, will the ability to access those library of games via a library be possible and if so, how?



Adinnieken said:
aikohualda said:
oh crap i just realize... they wont be able to put xbox one game in the library!!!!
yes they catalog games in the library too...
so much for preserving history using an actual copy.. i guess library will all be digital too... :( so muich for that old scented acid on a 100 year old book... or the smell of that case when you open a game... i might be old school... but i love those smell!!!!!!!


Libraries don't preserve history.  If they do then our local libraries are doing it wrong.  Libraries routinely rid themselves of books that people no longer read, selling them to patrons.

The intention of a library is to provide access to current fiction/non-fiction and reference/research materials, as well as popular media.

Our libraries here also provide access to an entire library of ebooks.  So, suggesting they can't also provide access to digital copies of games doesn't exactly work.  The question is, will the ability to access those library of games via a library be possible and if so, how?

Libraries should have a copy of the news papers archived. They should also have documents, year books, and others as well



Max King of the Wild said:
theprof00 said:

I do agree that something needs to be done about used games, but there are much much healthier ways to go about it than the way MS is approaching it.

Let's brainstorm. How can used games be addressed that benefit gamers and publishers?

Certified used games sales from the publisher. Send in your copy to the publisher using an online store set up through the manufacturer and recieve a check for more than what gamestop would give you. You can then purchase used games directly through publisher using same store. Publisher gets profits and gets to control the amount of used games being circulated

I already have a solution. It's something I've been working on for a while. Once my raise comes in in a couple weeks I'm going to start getting serious on it. Hopefully it changes everything.



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theprof00 said:

I already have a solution. It's something I've been working on for a while. Once my raise comes in in a couple weeks I'm going to start getting serious on it. Hopefully it changes everything.



Should we start calling you Paul Revere of games?



They aren't in the same industry.



Max King of the Wild said:
theprof00 said:

I already have a solution. It's something I've been working on for a while. Once my raise comes in in a couple weeks I'm going to start getting serious on it. Hopefully it changes everything.



Should we start calling you Paul Revere of games?

Just scrambles is fine



Libraries lend, hence the term lending libraries.
The problem with the second-hand game market is not that you or I get a good deal when we buy a game or we make a reasonable percentage of the cost back when we sell it to someone, but that stores like GameStop offer a substantially lower price than market value to buy it from us, and then sell it to someone else at a fairly substantial profit.

They really don't have a problem with used games, or lending games. They have a problem with companies like GameStop making a profit off of their work at the detriment of their new game sales. If used game sales had a smaller impact on new game sales, they may not worry about it so much.



Adinnieken said:
aikohualda said:
oh crap i just realize... they wont be able to put xbox one game in the library!!!!
yes they catalog games in the library too...
so much for preserving history using an actual copy.. i guess library will all be digital too... :( so muich for that old scented acid on a 100 year old book... or the smell of that case when you open a game... i might be old school... but i love those smell!!!!!!!


Libraries don't preserve history.  If they do then our local libraries are doing it wrong.  Libraries routinely rid themselves of books that people no longer read, selling them to patrons.

The intention of a library is to provide access to current fiction/non-fiction and reference/research materials, as well as popular media.

Our libraries here also provide access to an entire library of ebooks.  So, suggesting they can't also provide access to digital copies of games doesn't exactly work.  The question is, will the ability to access those library of games via a library be possible and if so, how?

i recommend you visiting library of congress...... or university libraries......

i worked in a university library so i would know

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preservation_%28library_and_archival_science%29

small libraries dont usually keep their stock much because of space and funding.....

im refering to xbox one policy on digital games..... and actually it wouldnt work on current policy on games... nintendo: only transferable in such number (unelss they make an exemption on public libraries)