Straight up question here, originally after the Microsoft reveal a few weeks ago it appeared that the Xbox One has some extra satellite tuning hardware that the PS4 didn't have. A decent dual tuner for a PC costs about £80/$100 so fair enough. However it now transpires (should have seen it coming really) that the Xbox One doesn't have any tuning hardware at all and relies purely on a HDMI in for it's TV/external source feed meaning that as far as I can see there's nothing of note in the Xbox One that isn't in the PS4.

When you consider the PS4 is using expensive GDDR5 for RAM and not DDR3 also. A quick look around shows the PS4 is available for pre-order in the UK for about £310-£320 if you dig around, we're likely looking at £399 for the Xbox One, haven't really checked.

That kind of extra hardware doesn't cost more than a few dollars if done through an overlay and not some kind of real-time encoding. Even if real time encoding was used to render the image as part of the main output, that would likely be done by hardware already present.

Was curious if I've missed something here? Thoughts of others etc, please keep the word "DRM" out of this thread though.

I'm undecided on the Xbox One currently, don't think there's enough hard information out there to make a buying decision right now but the suggested price has certainly got me asking questions on what exactly we're paying for.

Cheers.

Kinect

Kinect bundled in every box, for one.

For the other, the weakening Yen gives Sony some leeway in pricing.

Ahhhh I'm a fool, of course hadn't even thought of Kinect...ooops.

But would that be it basically?

I suspect its a mix of kinect and Sony taking a sizeable loss which they hope to make up via game sales.

kinect and probably new controller now that it comes with a battery and ore vibrating motors for your woman's pleasures.

kinect bundling and (if you believe rumors) the large chip size xbone uses having yield issues. MS has more leeway (if i understand things right) to drop the cost of manufacturing so maybe in 2-3 years they will have the same price tag.

Kinect, weak yen, and Sony is willing to take a loss on each unit sold to get an early lead on Microsoft. Pretty sure they want a well established lead this gen, not a 1:1:1 ratio of consoles like last gen.

everybody knows the best gaming controller for a womans pleasure is the PS move. stop acting like that doesnt exists

Two things...

1. APU... the Xbone APU is close to 50% bigger than PS4 APU and it is more complex... so way more expensive.... and there are relates about low yields (that makes the chips over more expensive).

2. Kinect.

I think I covered everything.

To be fair... the GDDR5 on PS4 is more expensive than DDR3 on Xbone but I think the APU difference is bigger than GDDR5/DDR3 and there are Kinect to add to MS costs.