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What will you do if Xbox 1 is THE Genius Console

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Pretty much say, "T... 42 12.10%
 
Buy a Wii U & say, &... 47 13.54%
 
Play PC and say, "Y... 17 4.90%
 
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Egann said:
Darth Tigris said:
This was a very interesting read. Thank you for it.

Though things have changed slightly here and there, MS is a software company and Sony a hardware company. Going digital makes sense for MS while for Sony there are conflicts with that model. Sony wants to sell more hardware in future generations. It's in their DNA. MS? I'd imagine that they would love the One to possibly be their final console. So the move to digital would allow them to move the strategy they implemented to a limited extent on the 360 (that of incremental enhancements through system updates) and take it to a level previously deemed impossible.

Yes, the Xbox One could potentially be the most future proof console ever made.

It's in Sony's best interest to maintain the status quo. Some think it's in gamer's best interest too. Is it worth giving up a perceived loss of ownership for the exciting possibilities of the future?


This begs the question of whether or not cloud computing will be worth it, because just about all of the One's future-proofing comes from that. I honestly don't think cloud computing is that great.

Let's admit it: servers are expensive. They need to be powered and air conditioned, and when the time comes the components need to be upgraded. And you expect me to believe Microsoft can do that indefinitely for $50 a year? That might cover server expenses for one generation, but it definitely won't be enough for upgrade costs, particularly if Sony's making a generation-leap.

And then there's the issue of if the difference is even worth it. Comparing gameplay trailers from E3, X on the Wii U and Ryse for the One? Yeah, sure I can tell the Wii U isn't as powerful, but saying the difference is worth $150 more plus a $50 per year subscription is ludicrous. And Nintendo's CPU, GPU, and memory are all less than one third of either other console. The GPU at the server farm would need to be absolutely colossal to make the slightest bit of difference, and you'd practically need a fiber ISP to deliver all those graphics.

It's time to admit it: our money can't buy prettier graphics anymore. It buys a different ecosystem and title library.

Truthfully, though, we don't know.  We nothing to definitively judge it's worth right now, but MS and the devs working on the X1 seem to think it's going to be a difference maker.  Using it the way they are hinting at is an emerging technology, like multicore processing once was.  We keep judging everything about the cloud on how things are now, ignoring how fast technology progresses.  By fall 2014, where will internet connections, prices, availability and speed be?  How better will developers grasp how they can use the cloud to enhance games?  How about by fall 2015?  2016?  

You see this is what I don't understand about the backlash to what they are saying about the X1 and the cloud.  This has the potential to shake things up but so many seem to fighting even the very notion.  I see more excitement about 4k than this, and that will require a RIDICULOUS personal investment for us as consumers whenever they become available in the future.  The burgeoning integration of 'the cloud' into mainstream gaming should be championed by us gamers instead of letting petty company loyalties and destructive negativity drive our dialogue.  



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Darth Tigris said:
Egann said:
Darth Tigris said:
This was a very interesting read. Thank you for it.

Though things have changed slightly here and there, MS is a software company and Sony a hardware company. Going digital makes sense for MS while for Sony there are conflicts with that model. Sony wants to sell more hardware in future generations. It's in their DNA. MS? I'd imagine that they would love the One to possibly be their final console. So the move to digital would allow them to move the strategy they implemented to a limited extent on the 360 (that of incremental enhancements through system updates) and take it to a level previously deemed impossible.

Yes, the Xbox One could potentially be the most future proof console ever made.

It's in Sony's best interest to maintain the status quo. Some think it's in gamer's best interest too. Is it worth giving up a perceived loss of ownership for the exciting possibilities of the future?


This begs the question of whether or not cloud computing will be worth it, because just about all of the One's future-proofing comes from that. I honestly don't think cloud computing is that great.

Let's admit it: servers are expensive. They need to be powered and air conditioned, and when the time comes the components need to be upgraded. And you expect me to believe Microsoft can do that indefinitely for $50 a year? That might cover server expenses for one generation, but it definitely won't be enough for upgrade costs, particularly if Sony's making a generation-leap.

And then there's the issue of if the difference is even worth it. Comparing gameplay trailers from E3, X on the Wii U and Ryse for the One? Yeah, sure I can tell the Wii U isn't as powerful, but saying the difference is worth $150 more plus a $50 per year subscription is ludicrous. And Nintendo's CPU, GPU, and memory are all less than one third of either other console. The GPU at the server farm would need to be absolutely colossal to make the slightest bit of difference, and you'd practically need a fiber ISP to deliver all those graphics.

It's time to admit it: our money can't buy prettier graphics anymore. It buys a different ecosystem and title library.

Truthfully, though, we don't know.  We nothing to definitively judge it's worth right now, but MS and the devs working on the X1 seem to think it's going to be a difference maker.  Using it the way they are hinting at is an emerging technology, like multicore processing once was.  We keep judging everything about the cloud on how things are now, ignoring how fast technology progresses.  By fall 2014, where will internet connections, prices, availability and speed be?  How better will developers grasp how they can use the cloud to enhance games?  How about by fall 2015?  2016?  

You see this is what I don't understand about the backlash to what they are saying about the X1 and the cloud.  This has the potential to shake things up but so many seem to fighting even the very notion.  I see more excitement about 4k than this, and that will require a RIDICULOUS personal investment for us as consumers whenever they become available in the future.  The burgeoning integration of 'the cloud' into mainstream gaming should be championed by us gamers instead of letting petty company loyalties and destructive negativity drive our dialogue.  

You're assuming Moore's law of integrated circuits applies to Internet Service Providers. Considering my ISP's copper network around here is 30 years old, that's a dubious guess at best. 

The question, though, is where is Microsof going to get the money to upgrade the servers come 2016. Xbox Live subscriptions? That'll barely cover the maintenence. The only thing that makes sense is swallowing a loss, and If Microsoft's really going to do that, why not launch a new console. At least then your user-base will help you float *most* of the loss.

Heck, why launch a new console at all? Sony's been doing Remote Play with the PS3 and the Vita. Some even support using the PSP, and that's practically ancient at this point. In theory, Microsoft could push out a firmware update to the 360, make it next-gen with the cloud, and lock Sony out of all those new sales. You really don't need that much power for a cloud-box to bounce a signal onto a TV, and if that's basically what the One is about, it's massive hardware overkill. Launch a Roku-box at a fifth the price and undercut everybody.

It just sounds like marketing spin to me. It needs to be connected? Say it'll use the cloud.



How can any logical person say that physical media isn't going anywhere? CDs are already basically extinct. I don't even know where to buy them anymore. BluRay is the last form of physical media we will see for movies, games, etc until we go all digital. The digital age is coming and it will be here in 5 years or so. Physical media is a dinosaur.



I don't see them being successful despite there "network upgrades". Sure we are heading for a digital future, but i expect to follow a steam model rather than the Xbox one, at least with steam you can get to play most games offline unless there is 3rd party DRM like Assassin's Creed or GTA IV.

If Xbox one becomes the so called "genius console", i will probably stick to offline gaming on older consoles and finally catch up on the many classics i missed from the PS1 and PS2 days. If there's anything new i want, i'll have to get it from steam when consoles become completely digital, especially if they follow the Xbox One's way of doing things.



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Egann said:

Darth Tigris said:

Truthfully, though, we don't know.  We nothing to definitively judge it's worth right now, but MS and the devs working on the X1 seem to think it's going to be a difference maker.  Using it the way they are hinting at is an emerging technology, like multicore processing once was.  We keep judging everything about the cloud on how things are now, ignoring how fast technology progresses.  By fall 2014, where will internet connections, prices, availability and speed be?  How better will developers grasp how they can use the cloud to enhance games?  How about by fall 2015?  2016?  

You see this is what I don't understand about the backlash to what they are saying about the X1 and the cloud.  This has the potential to shake things up but so many seem to fighting even the very notion.  I see more excitement about 4k than this, and that will require a RIDICULOUS personal investment for us as consumers whenever they become available in the future.  The burgeoning integration of 'the cloud' into mainstream gaming should be championed by us gamers instead of letting petty company loyalties and destructive negativity drive our dialogue.  

You're assuming Moore's law of integrated circuits applies to Internet Service Providers. Considering my ISP's copper network around here is 30 years old, that's a dubious guess at best. 

The question, though, is where is Microsof going to get the money to upgrade the servers come 2016. Xbox Live subscriptions? That'll barely cover the maintenence. The only thing that makes sense is swallowing a loss, and If Microsoft's really going to do that, why not launch a new console. At least then your user-base will help you float *most* of the loss.

Heck, why launch a new console at all? Sony's been doing Remote Play with the PS3 and the Vita. Some even support using the PSP, and that's practically ancient at this point. In theory, Microsoft could push out a firmware update to the 360, make it next-gen with the cloud, and lock Sony out of all those new sales. You really don't need that much power for a cloud-box to bounce a signal onto a TV, and if that's basically what the One is about, it's massive hardware overkill. Launch a Roku-box at a fifth the price and undercut everybody.

It just sounds like marketing spin to me. It needs to be connected? Say it'll use the cloud.

Who cares?  Seriously, it's questions like these that convince me people don't WANT the Xbox One to succeed.  I've honestly never seen so much F.U.D. about a console in all of my life.  That's a problem for MS to figure out.  I use Skydrive and, since signing up for Google Fiber, I also have a terabit of Google Drive space too.  I have a Dropbox account as well.  Have I ever questioned how they are going to pay for that?  No.  I don't care.  It's free to me and I figure that these corporations have figured out a profit plan for these free services without me needing to know all of the details.  Sony is going to be streaming PS3 games, but nobody is questioning how they are going to pay for that.  Why?  Because it doesn't matter at this point.  People are actually asking and holding against the Xbox One that they fear they won't be able to play their X1 games when the NEXT-next gen comes out.  They buy new iPad's every 2 or 3 years that cost more than eithe of these consoles but are hesitant to buy the X1 because of what they fear could happen in 10 years to their games, as if they would just disappear.

F.U.D. can be so destructively annoying.  Considering all of the HORRIBLE things that could happen when people leave their homes, I'm surprised anybody does if they held the outside world to the same fear based scrutiny of every single thing about the X1 ...



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tuscaniman99 said:
How can any logical person say that physical media isn't going anywhere? CDs are already basically extinct. I don't even know where to buy them anymore. BluRay is the last form of physical media we will see for movies, games, etc until we go all digital. The digital age is coming and it will be here in 5 years or so. Physical media is a dinosaur.


So because you lack the basic knowledge of where to purchase something, it doesn't exist?

Awesome logic is awesome.



 

 

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CDs are done. BluRay is next. Face reality



tuscaniman99 said:
@wick
CDs are done. BluRay is next. Face reality


I've been hearing they're done for quite a few years now.

The reality you speak of is that I can still go to my local music store and buy them.

Maybe we have different meanings for the words extinct and done??

I try to follow the English definitions



 

 

        Wii FC: 6440 8298 7583 0720   XBOX GT: WICK1978               PSN: its_the_wick   3DS: 1676-3747-7846                                          Nintendo Network: its-the-wick

Systems I've owned: Atari 2600, NES, SNES, GBColor, N64, Gamecube, PS2, Xbox, GBAdvance, DSlite, PSP, Wii, Xbox360, PS3, 3DS, PSVita, PS4, 3DS XL, Wii U

The best quote I've seen this year:

Angelus said: I'm a moron

wick said:
tuscaniman99 said:
@wick
CDs are done. BluRay is next. Face reality


I've been hearing they're done for quite a few years now.

The reality you speak of is that I can still go to my local music store and buy them.

Maybe we have different meanings for the words extinct and done??

I try to follow the English definitions

And record vinyls are getting a small following now, some people will never let go of physical media.  



Xbox Series, PS5 and Switch (+ Many Retro Consoles)

'When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called the people's stick'- Mikhail Bakunin

Prediction: Switch 2 will outsell the PS5 by 2030

It might become the genius console... in the US.

But I dont care, and the PS4 has the potential to get such a strong foothold in the rest of the world that the Xbone lead in the US might look like an anomaly and far from the trend. MS is doing all that it can to secure 'murica and its working with a closed 'murican mentality, while Sony has a far better, global approach IMO.
Also, I game for games, and if Sony delivers the same amount that it did this gen, then its more than OK for me.

While I like some of these positive news about the competition, the truth is that thus far MS only hurt the Xbox brand in the last month, while both Sony and Nintendo helped their own



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