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Who is MS aiming to take out this gen?

Nintendo 30 2.73%
 
Sony 102 9.29%
 
themselves? 965 87.89%
 
Total:1,097
PlaystaionGamer said:
oni-link said:
PlaystaionGamer said:
you are not elaborating.. how exactly?

from a gaming standpoint i have no interest in the X1. which is weird because i brought both X & X360 one launch..


well it's difficult to say.... conceptually Sony and Nintendo are already out.... living in a dying era of gaming and living room entertainment... whether the fans accept it or not Sony is just doing more of the same with more horse power a lot like PC gaming has done and we can see where itis going compare to other market like cellphones and tablets or even consoles.....
For nintendo it's a bit different but still.... MS is future proofing there concept across the board... this has caused already a lot of disruption in people's mind.... for better or for worse....
when you see and understand their vision with all the different businesses hey are in you know they are on the right track and have great concepts to embrace a new era of technology for several decades to come....
the question is, "Is the world ready for it???" right now I would say for the most part they are not.... they are like my grand grandma when they invented the washing machine.... the question is how fast the shift will happen....
and that can happen way faster today than it ever did before... when you see the market penetration of the first radio, then of the first TVs, tape player, cd player, dvd player, cellphone, smartphone, tablets.... you can see how increasingly fast the world can shift....
in 5 years we'll know if MS had the right vision for their business as whole or not.... until then it's pretty tough to say.... but one way or the other.... MS is a behemoth than can take a pounding and get up again and strike back harder.... fan or not a company like MS by its implication and relevance in so many businesses and public services is close to unbreakable....

This took the words out of my head.

still hard to understand this.. so how is the Xone Revolutionary? its graphics are abit worse then the PS4. its a huge negative for gamers and there pockets plus the TV capabilitys are basically just a Sky box menu.. in a Xbox.. there trying to solve a problem nobody had... 

i dont see how your comparing the revolution of Radio, TV, MP3, Iphones and Tablets to.. a xbox? its just agmes console you plus your sky box in.

I wasn't comparing them to XB1 in terms of technological revolution directly but to illustrate the change of pace in the shit.... radio took decades to be main stream, TV too but a little less... and increasingly thing started to penetrate the main stream way faster.... smartphone took less than a decade and tablets is even getting faster...

and then I wasn't talking about XB1 as stand alone.... but about MS ecosystem as a whole.... the best illustration are the videos of MS future home or future vision they released a while back... XB1 is just part of whole at MS.... hence the huge talk you have at corporate head quarters about merging the win8/RT, WP8, and hardware department (surface/XB) into a single department in the near future..... this will lead to something more streamlined across the board...

in the pole you should have had google and apple more than sony and nintendo because for MS as whole those two company are a way more relevant competition than Sony or Nintendo ever was or ever will be....

now on PS4 being more powerful.... yeah then again not by much and we all know that raw power is not the only factor that maters.... now that being said you are omitting kinect 2 as many gamer does.... but voice command is getting more and more present on many devices and being used.... on smartphone it's getting traction, on computers too, I have worked in companies where they use it for typing drafts for businesses.... and personally while I'm not gaming on my XB360 I use kinect controls almost exclusively.... then you have motion control getting there too... it might not be perfect for gaming but stuff like kinect 2 or leap motion or even some samsung TVs proves that it's getting more and more common for people....

finally you have the potential of cloud computing, if some in that business can pull it off it's definately MS.... servers is a huge business at MS and devs are already used to work with the azure framework....

and about the skybox not being needed speak for yourself.... I have a big issue with having currently 5 remote/joypad for my entertainement center.... granted there are solution like universal remotes but the good ones that can handle mys system are really expensive and it is still one more remote than I want.... especially since I have a tendancy to break them really fast.... so maybe not for you but for people like me being able to control more stuff with a single device remotless is a huge huge huge selling point and something I have been waiting for ages and hoped the kinect 1 would have solved.....



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Nintendo already went another route, they don't care.
Sony is the one who is still going most the pure gaming machine route.
MS is going for entertainment box, they will still get many people onto the boat with kinect and stuff, but gamers will wait for big exclusives. If they wait at all it is.

You could say that MS is battling at two fronts against Sony and maybe Apple. They already lost one front, but not these two wars ;)



oni-link said:
Azzanation said:

I Beleave MS is on the right track. People are afraid of change and thats a fact. People are blinded too much on the negatives that they are over looking the positives. X1 has alot going for it besides the games. The system will sell regardless of what people say in forums or pre-orders.


exactly especially looking at games.  To be honest most X1 games looked wayyyyy more interesting and had better visuals than what PS4 was showing.


Thats because it was running on a pc.



I assume you mean with the TV functions?

No, that will likely keep the X1 alive but not ahead of sony. The PS4 will likely dominate this christmas, the same audience microsoft is really popular with may not feel the need to upgrade when all relevant games are coming to 360. The ps4 however is likely to be the winner for the tech enthusiasts and hardcore gamers. They automatically creates a shift where people go for online communities, people follow their friends and so who ever starts on the better foot will likely benefit from the snow ball effect of "I'm getting this console, cos my friend has it and I want to play them online.". Sony seem to be planning a big Gamescon conference, so depending on what they reveal they may be pushed into the lead even further.

The X1 is very expensive, especially in the europe. they loose a ton of footing over here and probably loose their lead in the UK.



deadly2choke said:
oni-link said:
Azzanation said:

I Beleave MS is on the right track. People are afraid of change and thats a fact. People are blinded too much on the negatives that they are over looking the positives. X1 has alot going for it besides the games. The system will sell regardless of what people say in forums or pre-orders.


exactly especially looking at games.  To be honest most X1 games looked wayyyyy more interesting and had better visuals than what PS4 was showing.


Thats because it was running on a pc.


That emulated the power of the X1...really do you think Sony has the most capable machine this coming gen?  Just like the Wii U...the X1 will surely punch above their weight class...customization is the key and MS has the $$$ and know how to do so.



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teigaga said:
I assume you mean with the TV functions?

No, that will likely keep the X1 alive but not ahead of sony. The PS4 will likely dominate this christmas, the same audience microsoft is really popular with may not feel the need to upgrade when all relevant games are coming to 360. The ps4 however is likely to be the winner for the tech enthusiasts and hardcore gamers. They automatically creates a shift where people go for online communities, people follow their friends and so who ever starts on the better foot will likely benefit from the snow ball effect of "I'm getting this console, cos my friend has it and I want to play them online.". Sony seem to be planning a big Gamescon conference, so depending on what they reveal they may be pushed into the lead even further.

The X1 is very expensive, especially in the europe. they loose a ton of footing over here and probably loose their lead in the UK.


are you refering to endiminon?



PDF said:
oni-link said:
PDF said:
Sony own TV division has a better shot at taking themselves out than MS does.


Sony is not even relevant to the TV industry anymore.  It's all about Samsung and LG.  The Sony brand is an old brand that lost it's cool factor!!! Samsung, LG, Apple, MS, Google etc are the in-thing at the moment!

What was the point of your post? It has nothing to do with playstation brand.  Mine was just a little joke taking a jab at both companies MS and Sony.

Talking about cool factor though, MS has very little.  No one wanted Zune, no one want to use IE, no one wants to use Bing as they are all seem as lame.  MS is really not seen as cool company.  They are seen as really rich company.   Don't get me wrong I actually like many MS products (im a PC, and I dislike apple).


opps nevermind all this Sony fans hating MS got me all defensive.  Actually Zune did ok, IE is still pretty dominant, Bing is gaining ground as is W8 and Surface.  MS is still a powerful brand unlike Sony which is a fledging brand in consumer's minds!!!  Just ask people who they prefer Samsung or Sony.



They emulated the power of the X1 by using a Nvidia Titan that has 4TeraFlops !? hahhahahhah

I know who's trolling now ...



LordPusha said:

They emulated the power of the X1 by using a Nvidia Titan that has 4TeraFlops !? hahhahahhah

I know who's trolling now ...


  Until the systems are released no-one really knows the X1's true capabilities are do they?  Anyways none of those games are running 4TF so that point is moot.  Ask yourself why did MS use that card instead...must be a good reason right?



PDF said:
oni-link said:
PDF said:
Sony own TV division has a better shot at taking themselves out than MS does.


Sony is not even relevant to the TV industry anymore.  It's all about Samsung and LG.  The Sony brand is an old brand that lost it's cool factor!!! Samsung, LG, Apple, MS, Google etc are the in-thing at the moment!

What was the point of your post? It has nothing to do with playstation brand.  Mine was just a little joke taking a jab at both companies MS and Sony.

Talking about cool factor though, MS has very little.  No one wanted Zune, no one want to use IE, no one wants to use Bing as they are all seem as lame.  MS is really not seen as cool company.  They are seen as really rich company.   Don't get me wrong I actually like many MS products (im a PC, and I dislike apple).


well disagree with the MS cool point being inexistant now a days... beside the geek community.... Ie is stil one of the most used browser and is definately the one that stood up time... and to be honnest one of the most performant if you skip the bad versions... bing is the fastest growing search engine especially in website integrated search.... and WP8 while not there yet as a decent showing so far with a steady increase, and even beats apple in developping country in terms of current sales.... and well Zune HD was way better than most of the competition but it didn't catch up more likely because apple marketing is/was really good at the time and gained a lot of traction....

bottom line I don't like apple and google I'm not a die hard MS fan (been on linux unbuntu/suze/mint etc for a while) but I really like what MS vision is for the future and I hope to succeed.... if half of what they have in their research center comes to life in the next decade or so I'll bee more than happy