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Who is MS aiming to take out this gen?

Nintendo 30 2.73%
 
Sony 102 9.29%
 
themselves? 965 87.89%
 
Total:1,097

Beat in sales, possible but at this point highly unlikely.

Take out, virtually impossible unless Sony does absolutely everything wrong from here on out and I don't just mean with the PS4. You're not taking Nintendo out in a single generation, i don't think it's possible. They are an incredibly conservative company and they have enough money in the bank to comfortably ride out several entirely failed home console generations.

This is ignoring the fact that MS is getting almost universally bad press at the moment with the exception of relatively die-hard fans. If i was a betting man I would say Sony is going to win the next generation fairly comfortably, how comfortably depends on how well Nintendo gets their act together in the next 18 months as I still think the WiiU has the potential to be a very popular second console. MS is going to have work very hard from here on out if they hope to see anything like the success of the 360 and I think they run significant risk of running a fairly distant third unless they take major steps to alter their current trajectory.



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oni-link said:

I think Microsoft has a chance to take Sony and Nintendo out this coming gen.  Just my 2 cents with how M$ is going a totally diffrent approach to gaming; which can dissrupt both Sony and Nintendo's future plans.  Discuss.

A lunatic has just escaped from the asylum!



Xbone has no chance.

All the other gamers will rally together and buy the other system to make point



 

 

guys please stop calling Xbox One...Xbone...it makes you guys look silly.  Seriously!!!



Metroid33slayer said:
oni-link said:

I think Microsoft has a chance to take Sony and Nintendo out this coming gen.  Just my 2 cents with how M$ is going a totally diffrent approach to gaming; which can dissrupt both Sony and Nintendo's future plans.  Discuss.

A lunatic has just escaped from the asylum!


watch out the could be risking the banhammer.



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hsrob said:
Beat in sales, possible but at this point highly unlikely.

Take out, virtually impossible unless Sony does absolutely everything wrong from here on out and I don't just mean with the PS4. You're not taking Nintendo out in a single generation, i don't think it's possible. They are an incredibly conservative company and they have enough money in the bank to comfortably ride out several entirely failed home console generations.

This is ignoring the fact that MS is getting almost universally bad press at the moment with the exception of relatively die-hard fans. If i was a betting man I would say Sony is going to win the next generation fairly comfortably, how comfortably depends on how well Nintendo gets their act together in the next 18 months as I still think the WiiU has the potential to be a very popular second console. MS is going to have work very hard from here on out if they hope to see anything like the success of the 360 and I think they run significant risk of running a fairly distant third unless they take major steps to alter their current trajectory.


1.  It's still debatable that PS4 specs outdoes the X1; or that it would provide any meaningful diffrence. Just look at E3 and most games look better on X1 than on PS4...why is that?

2.  X1 had better exclusives and more of it.

3.  MS has deep pockets to make sure the system succeeds.



oni-link said:
endimion said:
well it's difficult to say.... conceptually Sony and Nintendo are already out.... living in a dying era of gaming and living room entertainment... whether the fans accept it or not Sony is just doing more of the same with more horse power a lot like PC gaming has done and we can see where itis going compare to other market like cellphones and tablets or even consoles.....
For nintendo it's a bit different but still.... MS is future proofing there concept across the board... this has caused already a lot of disruption in people's mind.... for better or for worse....
when you see and understand their vision with all the different businesses hey are in you know they are on the right track and have great concepts to embrace a new era of technology for several decades to come....
the question is, "Is the world ready for it???" right now I would say for the most part they are not.... they are like my grand grandma when they invented the washing machine.... the question is how fast the shift will happen....
and that can happen way faster today than it ever did before... when you see the market penetration of the first radio, then of the first TVs, tape player, cd player, dvd player, cellphone, smartphone, tablets.... you can see how increasingly fast the world can shift....
in 5 years we'll know if MS had the right vision for their business as whole or not.... until then it's pretty tough to say.... but one way or the other.... MS is a behemoth than can take a pounding and get up again and strike back harder.... fan or not a company like MS by its implication and relevance in so many businesses and public services is close to unbreakable....

 

Yeah!!! Like what endimion just said!!! Best response on this thread yet!  I thought the same thing...I just couldn't elaborate and explain it the way he did.

That would be fine if MS was actually introducting something new, that no one else is doing. All MS is doing is re-packing things that people can and are already doing. Radio was revolutionary because nothing existed before it that could transmit sound (voice / music) to the masses into their homes. Same with TV. Washing machines ware a labour saving miracle, Xbone is not that. endimion is right that new tech gets adopted faster and faster, but Xbone is not new tech.

Xbone is an expensive conduit for Kinect control of entertainment services. A better product would be an enhanced Kinect with several HDMI in and one HDMI out at $200. The new market MS is aiming at is paying $300 for functionality (games) they won't use.

PS4 and Wii U are defintely under threat, but from tablets and smartphones. Also PS4 and Wii U are not just one trick games consoles. They also have multimedia services, so everyone is getting into the broad entertainment appeal game. MS isn't unique in this, they are just more heavily invested in that side. So it's not a case of glorious multimedia entertainment device vs. plain old gaming machines. It's a case of differently balanced multimedia entertainment devices. In that context MS's point of difference, and hence potential to run away with the generation, is not as significant as some people like to make out.

I will say this though. MS's DRM own goal on the gaming side has hamstrung it's mighty push into the general entertaiment appeal space. MS didn't need to go all DRM heavy on tha gaming side. I would say that had MS maintained the status quo on games then Xbone would be an extremely strong contender to take out the generation. It certainly would have swept all before it in the USA where all it's various entertainment features will be in place day 1, or soon thereafter. That it isn't far ahead on the pre-order lists in the USA is very instructive.



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oni-link said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
oni-link said:
HesAPooka said:
Care to elaborate?


a dissruption the way Nintendo did during the Wii era.


Nintendo created a way to make gaming more accessible for casuals by using a gimmick. This phenomenon caused casuals to flock to gaming for a short period of time and then lose all desire. There is no way what the Xbox One is doing is anything like that. People dont need an Xbox One to control their living room, Microsoft is assuming they do. Nintendo is a commercial brand so they use gaming to bring people in, Microsoft is doing the opposite, so why would people move from what they are currently to buy an Xbox One especially at $500? The Wii launched at an extremely affordable price, thats the other part of why they were so dominant.


But MS is trying to integrate all it's products with the X1 so that mainstream (NOT CORE LIKE YOU OR ME) can easily access gaming thus expanding the market!!!  C'mon isn't there any MS fans that can help me defend the X1 here?  The Sony fanatics are killing our poll!!!


The Kinect would have to be in the forefront if they want that to happen and Kinect already ran its course. Secondly, the Xbox One is not at market price so the casuals will not flock to it because gaming isnt interesting enough for them to purchase at that price. Gimmicks only last so long and without giving people a reason to game buying a gaming console (which is its primary function) to be in your living room is void. Kinect sold a lot just because it can do xrays and watch you have sex, while hearing your heart beating simultaneously wont change that. Hope MS brings out a killer app for Kinect because I know Halo will sell some Xbox Ones when it comes, because it always does in the beginining but even then after a while it no longer becomes a system seller because the installed base has leveled itself as regulars for the known sequels. Nintendo is going through this currently with the Wii U, awaiting the first party titles.



binary solo said:
oni-link said:
endimion said:
well it's difficult to say.... conceptually Sony and Nintendo are already out.... living in a dying era of gaming and living room entertainment... whether the fans accept it or not Sony is just doing more of the same with more horse power a lot like PC gaming has done and we can see where itis going compare to other market like cellphones and tablets or even consoles.....
For nintendo it's a bit different but still.... MS is future proofing there concept across the board... this has caused already a lot of disruption in people's mind.... for better or for worse....
when you see and understand their vision with all the different businesses hey are in you know they are on the right track and have great concepts to embrace a new era of technology for several decades to come....
the question is, "Is the world ready for it???" right now I would say for the most part they are not.... they are like my grand grandma when they invented the washing machine.... the question is how fast the shift will happen....
and that can happen way faster today than it ever did before... when you see the market penetration of the first radio, then of the first TVs, tape player, cd player, dvd player, cellphone, smartphone, tablets.... you can see how increasingly fast the world can shift....
in 5 years we'll know if MS had the right vision for their business as whole or not.... until then it's pretty tough to say.... but one way or the other.... MS is a behemoth than can take a pounding and get up again and strike back harder.... fan or not a company like MS by its implication and relevance in so many businesses and public services is close to unbreakable....

 

Yeah!!! Like what endimion just said!!! Best response on this thread yet!  I thought the same thing...I just couldn't elaborate and explain it the way he did.

That would be fine if MS was actually introducting something new, that no one else is doing. All MS is doing is re-packing things that people can and are already doing. Radio was revolutionary because nothing existed before it that could transmit sound (voice / music) to the masses into their homes. Same with TV. Washing machines ware a labour saving miracle, Xbone is not that. endimion is right that new tech gets adopted faster and faster, but Xbone is not new tech.

Xbone is an expensive conduit for Kinect control of entertainment services. A better product would be an enhanced Kinect with several HDMI in and one HDMI out at $200. The new market MS is aiming at is paying $300 for functionality (games) they won't use.

PS4 and Wii U are defintely under threat, but from tablets and smartphones. Also PS4 and Wii U are not just one trick games consoles. They also have multimedia services, so everyone is getting into the broad entertainment appeal game. MS isn't unique in this, they are just more heavily invested in that side. So it's not a case of glorious multimedia entertainment device vs. plain old gaming machines. It's a case of differently balanced multimedia entertainment devices. In that context MS's point of difference, and hence potential to run away with the generation, is not as significant as some people like to make out.

I will say this though. MS's DRM own goal on the gaming side has hamstrung it's mighty push into the general entertaiment appeal space. MS didn't need to go all DRM heavy on tha gaming side. I would say that had MS maintained the status quo on games then Xbone would be an extremely strong contender to take out the generation. It certainly would have swept all before it in the USA where all it's various entertainment features will be in place day 1, or soon thereafter. That it isn't far ahead on the pre-order lists in the USA is very instructive.


I'd say Sony and Nintendo's offerings are more in-line with being toys(nothing wrong with that) than X1 which MS is marketing as part of it's Windows, Surface, Microsoft product family.  That is a high end technology machine that plays games and has access to all MS services/products.



Well they surely aren't taking anyone out this generation .

PS3 owners will surely upgrade to PS4 rather than go to X1
And many xbox owners aren't happy with MS policies , and thus are moving to PS

As it currently stands Microsoft is getting a lot of bad press( and it's legit ) ... I doubt they will outsell the PS4

But even if they did , and by a large margin ... Sony is still going to get it's profits back .