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Here we are, a few months before Sony and Microsoft release their new systems, misinformed and emotional as last gen. And the gen before that.

 

1/ MICROSOFT DRM POLICY IS THE WORST WE HAVE EVER SEEN - XBOX FANS SEEM ASLEEP

I am personnally shocked to see how few members of the XBOX fans on vgchartz have an issue with this. I always had the impression that the Xbox fans were more demanding of customer centric system. Sim City on PC was an example of how gamers can oppose the standards the industry would like to impose and it is a very recent, vivid example. In my opinion it is early enough to make such demands especially considering how few parternships Microsoft must have with TV content suppliers in Europe [my guess is that they have been contracting for a while in the US with content partners for a while and those bonds might take some time to die off]

2/ THE KINECT REQUIREMENT IS NONSENSE

Not only is the new kinect having an impact on the pricing of the system, it will require to be always connected to your XBOX ONE. If you are ok with having an accessory that looks like Big Brother's eye, works like Big Brother's eye, in the middle of you living room you are encouraging all other industry leaders to follow, and you are getting your kids used to a very weird future.

3/ SONY DESERVES TO WIN - STILL HAS SOME THINGS TO CLEAR UP

I am not switching sides, never had one to begin with and hopefully will never fall into any such trap. SONY is clearly the customer-centric winner against MS, still, something seem fishy to say the least :

a) Leaving the DRM policy up to publishers is not enough of an answer. To what extent are publisher requirement and data collection allowed ? It would only be honest for such a question to be raised.

b) The hardware advantage of the PS4 doesn't quite add-up. It is rumored that the PS4 launch was being planned ahead of XBOX ONE's, and still, the system is smaller and cheaper than the XBOX ONE (Kinect cannot cost 1/5 of the 500$), and still, the currently announced launch titles look better on the XBOX ONE [source: http://www.gamekult.com/actu/e3-2013-xbox-one-premier-contact-A109868.html ]

 

FINAL COMMENT

The reasons why I left this website remain. Just wanted to suggest to all that the fanboy is a self-destructive way of being that also affects the silent majority. It is because of sheep that we now all have smartphones, and it might be because of sheep that we will all feel stupid in our [smart-]living rooms.



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Whilst your final comment is true, it does fall on deaf ears, but I admire your effort.



PS One/2/p/3slim/Vita owner. I survived the Apocalyps3/Collaps3 and all I got was this lousy signature.


Xbox One: What are you doing Dave?

Thanks, I appreciate that



As an Xbox fan (and someone who in no way hates Sony), these are my responses:

1. DRM
Microsoft's DRM and restrictions (while I do believe they should be improved) are, on the whole, not too much different from what Steam has, and Steam is a service that is practically revered by gamers of many stripes (and is a service I personally have no qualms with, though I don't use it since I'm not a PC gamer). Neither services allow you to "own" your games (similarly, Kindle doesn't allow you to "own" your books, and iTunes doesn't allow you to "own" your songs), and either can take away access to the things you have purchased at any time. In some ways the X1 is more restrictive (namely the internet requirement, which really should be relaxed so that people can play offline for more than just 1 day at a time), while game licencing is FAR more relaxed than Steam. On Steam, you can't share access to your games with ANYONE, and you can't sell your game to, or share your game with, ANYONE, EVER. With the X1 you can sell your games to at least some retailers, as well as to friends, and you can share access to your games with up to 10 family members (an important feature that Microsoft does need to explain in full detail soon).

So far, whenever I bring up Steam, people try to act like it's completely different, and they resort to a few typical arguments:

a) "They give great sales, so you don't need to re-sell games." OK. So if Microsoft gives great sales on Xbox One, then..."well, I don't trust Microsoft to do that!" I don't care whether you THINK they will give great sales or not. They COULD, and if they DO, then this argument is invalid. (btw, recently picked up Alan Wake on sale for $5 on 360. Typical price is $30. That's a discount of over 80%.)

b) "Steam has offline mode." Yes, Microsoft needs to loosen up in this area. Yes, Steam has a more relaxed internet requirement. But you still need internet to set that up, and people have had different experiences on how long they can stay offline before being forced back online for authentication (some have gone months, others just a few weeks). Steam's offline mode clearly comes with some strings attached.

c) "PC gamers have more options than just Steam." That's true. That's also irrelevant. Steam is a platform. Xbox is a platform. Playstation is a platform. Nintendo, GOG. All platforms. Some platforms just have dedicated hardware (and guess what? Steam is getting that pretty soon, too). No one is forcing people to purchase games on any one platform; consumers have plenty of options to choose from; some platforms have DRM, with various positives and negatives attached, others have no DRM, and lack those positives and negatives.

2. Kinect
Yes, Kinect drives up the price of the machine. But I like Kinect. Not because it stands to revolutionize most core game experiences (it doesn't), but it IS capable revolutionizing how we interact with our television as a whole, and it IS capable of providing unique, interesting experiences that I might not otherwise get (like Child of Eden motion controls), and now that it is included in every Xbox, developers might actually be willing to take a risk and really innovate with it, since they don't have to worry about a split base of users (some with and some without Kinect).

As for privacy? First of all, Microsoft has been very clear that the data collected by the new Kinect will only leave your Xbox with your permission. You don't have to take my word on it; just google "Xbox Wire kinect privacy." Should be the first link. And second...if you're really that worried about the government spying on you, then the new Kinect is the LEAST of your problems. You'd better not use the internet. Or make any phone calls. EVER. You pretty much need to break off from society and just live in a cave or in the woods somewhere, because that's the only way you can (maybe) guarantee that the government CAN'T spy on you.

Final point:
I don't say these things to make it seem like Microsoft is infallible, or that Sony is trash for not doing the exact same thing, or any nonsense like that. I say it to show that Microsoft's X1 policies are not by default going to lead to the doom of the games industry, just as Steam and their DRM did not doom PC gaming. If anything, PC gaming has been re-invigorated by Steam, which leads me to believe that the Xbox One COULD (not necessarily will) see the same level of success, and help push us towards a day when the middleman (retailers) will not hold such an iron grip over the industry.



How do X1 games look better than PS4 games? Also, there are rumors X1 were suppose to launch in 2012 but were hit with yield issues. What substantial evidence PS4 was delayed?



Before the PS3 everyone was nice to me :(

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sth88 said:
As an Xbox fan (and someone who in no way hates Sony), these are my responses:

1. DRM
Microsoft's DRM and restrictions (while I do believe they should be improved) are, on the whole, not too much different from what Steam has, and Steam is a service that is practically revered by gamers of many stripes (and is a service I personally have no qualms with, though I don't use it since I'm not a PC gamer). Neither services allow you to "own" your games (similarly, Kindle doesn't allow you to "own" your books, and iTunes doesn't allow you to "own" your songs), and either can take away access to the things you have purchased at any time. In some ways the X1 is more restrictive (namely the internet requirement, which really should be relaxed so that people can play offline for more than just 1 day at a time), while game licencing is FAR more relaxed than Steam. On Steam, you can't share access to your games with ANYONE, and you can't sell your game to, or share your game with, ANYONE, EVER. With the X1 you can sell your games to at least some retailers, as well as to friends, and you can share access to your games with up to 10 family members (an important feature that Microsoft does need to explain in full detail soon).

So far, whenever I bring up Steam, people try to act like it's completely different, and they resort to a few typical arguments:

a) "They give great sales, so you don't need to re-sell games." OK. So if Microsoft gives great sales on Xbox One, then..."well, I don't trust Microsoft to do that!" I don't care whether you THINK they will give great sales or not. They COULD, and if they DO, then this argument is invalid. (btw, recently picked up Alan Wake on sale for $5 on 360. Typical price is $30. That's a discount of over 80%.)

b) "Steam has offline mode." Yes, Microsoft needs to loosen up in this area. Yes, Steam has a more relaxed internet requirement. But you still need internet to set that up, and people have had different experiences on how long they can stay offline before being forced back online for authentication (some have gone months, others just a few weeks). Steam's offline mode clearly comes with some strings attached.

c) "PC gamers have more options than just Steam." That's true. That's also irrelevant. Steam is a platform. Xbox is a platform. Playstation is a platform. Nintendo, GOG. All platforms. Some platforms just have dedicated hardware (and guess what? Steam is getting that pretty soon, too). No one is forcing people to purchase games on any one platform; consumers have plenty of options to choose from; some platforms have DRM, with various positives and negatives attached, others have no DRM, and lack those positives and negatives.

2. Kinect
Yes, Kinect drives up the price of the machine. But I like Kinect. Not because it stands to revolutionize most core game experiences (it doesn't), but it IS capable revolutionizing how we interact with our television as a whole, and it IS capable of providing unique, interesting experiences that I might not otherwise get (like Child of Eden motion controls), and now that it is included in every Xbox, developers might actually be willing to take a risk and really innovate with it, since they don't have to worry about a split base of users (some with and some without Kinect).

As for privacy? First of all, Microsoft has been very clear that the data collected by the new Kinect will only leave your Xbox with your permission. You don't have to take my word on it; just google "Xbox Wire kinect privacy." Should be the first link. And second...if you're really that worried about the government spying on you, then the new Kinect is the LEAST of your problems. You'd better not use the internet. Or make any phone calls. EVER. You pretty much need to break off from society and just live in a cave or in the woods somewhere, because that's the only way you can (maybe) guarantee that the government CAN'T spy on you.

Final point:
I don't say these things to make it seem like Microsoft is infallible, or that Sony is trash for not doing the exact same thing, or any nonsense like that. I say it to show that Microsoft's X1 policies are not by default going to lead to the doom of the games industry, just as Steam and their DRM did not doom PC gaming. If anything, PC gaming has been re-invigorated by Steam, which leads me to believe that the Xbox One COULD (not necessarily will) see the same level of success, and help push us towards a day when the middleman (retailers) will not hold such an iron grip over the industry.

This is an excellent post. You said everything that I was going to say and more. Well done, I agree 100%



yo_john117 said:
sth88 said:
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This is an excellent post. You said everything that I was going to say and more. Well done, I agree 100%

 


Thank you, I appreciate it.