That's not the argument. Mario Galaxy was a new idea, but still the same IP. And I didn't see THAT from Nintendo.

This thread is dumb. You will see it man, why does it have to be now??

Dunno... Maybe I missed it due to the lag :P

I have to agree with this I cringed when Iwata mentioned DK fur.

Let me ask you something. Does 2 games really make you hate Nintendo all of a sudden? With 1 disappointment comes an amazing game (3D Mario and X). One of this "disappointments" looks amazing (I'm talking about DKC Freeze here), yep Retro could have made something else, but does that make DKC a bad game? A game you aren't going to enjoy? 

No "megatons" were shown, but as a Nintendo fan you should already know that Nintendo NEVER comes out with "megatons" (Bayonetta 2 being the only exception in recent memory).

No new IPs were shown, did you really expect a new one coming from Nintendo, outside of the indie side? The "Miyamoto's new IP"? which btw is most likely going to be an eshop game.

No third party support? that has been the case since the N64 days. Not even the Wii level of success was able to make the system have decent multiplat games.

I think your "hype meter" was waaaaay too high before the conference. I was hyped myself, but I understand how Nintendo works and what to expect from them. Yes, there were thing about the conference that I didn't liked, but it no different than other conferences. 

Or you are saying that Smash, MK8, X, Bayonetta 2, DKC (but not looking at it as "Retro's game", but the gameplay itself) and WW HD did absolutely nothing for you?

As a Nintendo fan you should already expect how Nintendo works and what they do. Like Rol said, Wii U is the next GC, and that's how it's going to be. Be happy with what Nintendo is offering (as long as it doesn't look mediocre), don't expect to be happy with everything, doesn't matter if you are a Nintendo, Sony or MS fan.

I agree that DKCR needs a sequel, but is it what it needs NOW? Is it what Retro NEEDS to work with? I don't think so. But DKCFT is only a sum of all the parts. I'm not singling out that game; I'm talking about ALL the games Nintendo showed today. Very little innovation/new ideas was shown.

I am not saying that 3DLand ISN'T a new idea/take on Mario; on the contrary - I've said in this very thread that it was a new, fresh idea, but it's not what the Wii U needs. It's not the path 3D Mario should take. 3D Mario has NEVER copied another Mario game for it's core mechanics. 3D World looks too much like 3DLAnd. I hope you're right in that this will be a new spin off of Mario and that we'll see a "proper" 3D Mario next year or something like that...

I actually never played many Rare games. What brought me back was the Wii with Zelda TP and Mario Galaxy; the innovation that Nintendo had going the whole last gen.

Yes...? Was it something I was unclear about? =/

The reason I will level this criticism at nintendo and not at Sony or MS is because I expect better from nintendo, when you watch a Sony or MS conference you expect shooters, shooters, shooters because that is mostly all that they have, hell their fans seem to think a NEW IP is a game in different clothes.

On the other hand nintendo has alot of different franchises with different gameplay ideas, MK was different from F-zero (well not so anymore), Star Fox is different from DK, Metriod is different from Zelda why are we not seeing these other franchises.
WHY THE HELL NOT, AS I'M TYPING THIS I JUST SEEM TO BE GETTING ANGRIER AT THEM.

@Bold: But it isn't! Does ANY 3D Mario look like the previous one? Nintendo re-invented Mario for N64, they re-invented Mario for Sunshine and Galaxy, the re-invented him ye again for 3DLand. That's what they do; they come up with NEW things.

Pretty much this.