People have been testing it, its already in essence been proven. He doesn't even have to use the attached attack coming out, he can come out and D-smash, Shuttle Loop, Grab, Jab, Tornado, and anything else. People are testing it NOW before it gets used in a tournament. It works on EVERY stage, he can stay in it infinitely. All he has to do it hit you once, thats it. All he has to do is have less damage then you and the match is done. If your damage is higher then his, standing on the top most platform does nothing. You have to put yourself in harms way to even have a chance. He has an unbeatable approach now. Projectiles are now entirely useless against him which is something that used to balance him out.

One hit, the match is over. Meta Knight no longer has a single counter with this technique. General consensus is the move needs banned. I'm not basing this on my opinion alone. I agree with the majority of tournament officials. This technique is game breaking and warrants a ban.

I'm not just banning it on thought. I'm using people tests and their results as reason for a ban. People have already been using it to great effect even though it hasn't been out for long. Its already been proven broken in a competitive setting.

It doesn't need to make it to a tournament to be considered game breaking if its tested before hand.

The move is only broken as a stall, which is banned in any shape or form without question. The fact that you can stall with it is irrelivent, since that won't be allowed. The only thing really in question is it being broken as an approach. Personally, I believe it isn't. First of, as an approach, it won't work on every stage. Furthermore, what's stopping someone from grabing the ledge? There's nothing the metaknight can do out of this when someone is hogging the ledge. The metaknight will need to come out of it and approach normally in that situation. It also has start up lag. A fast projectile can hit before he can even go into it.

You need to give the move a chance before banning it out right. People are over reacting.

Right now, it is only banned as a stall.

No one is safe on the ledge. Its a commonly known fact that sticking yourself on the ledge for 'safety' is one of the silliest things you can do. Almost every character can just run off and B-air you straight into the stage for a stage spike. All of the default ledge options are punishable by a shield to a grab and then he's free to do as he likes. Ledge Hop aerial? Same thing.

The standard reappearance is near lagless and he can do anything out of it. He can also just opt to use the sword hit so what do people do in the mean time? If they're higher in damage, they have no choice but to try and bait him out. Meanwhile they're going to try to predict when he's going to reappear and what he's going to do when he does. If he opts for the sword slash, it opens on frame 1 of the reappearance meaning whatever defensive option is taken has to be taken BEFORE he reappears. Holding shield, mindlessly spot or roll dodging. No one wants the meta game to degrade to this.

The only projectile fast enough to hit Meta Knight before he can get into the cape off the bat is Robo Beam from R.O.B. and its not that hard to avoid that.

Standing on a different portion of the stage? Not a problem Meta Knight can just stay where he is perfectly impervious to harm and wait for you to come near him. This just gave him the best defensive and offensive option.

Stalling normally is usually only a soft ban. Your only hurting your reputation for doing it, as the stalls thus far in Brawl are punishable with proper characters. Pikachu can just send a roaming Thunderjolt under the stand to smack Sonic out of his Homing Stall and KO him at the same time if he's not near an edge. Kirby can just float under the stage and U-air stage spike him.

As of now, the competitive community as a majority believes it ban material. I will, however, steal my nephews game cube controller tomorrow and test it myself tomorrow. If I find that peoples tests aren't as concrete as they currently seem I 'might' lift the ban.

Its still highly unlikely that its only going to be partially banned. Its just too hard to police it without having people stalking Meta Knights with Stop Watches to time it every time its used. No tournament ever has that kind of man power, not to mention who the hell carries a stop watch anymore...

Its not like you need it anyway. Don't think I'm doing this against you either, your my partner in teams for gods sake. If it turns out to not be as broken as tests currently imply then I'm all for working out team strats with it :p

Don't worry, I see where you are coming from.

I just don't think it's broken as anything more than a stall. I just really want to master it because it looks fuckin cool. I don't need it perse, but it would look cool. I've been using it to reset my spacing and waist peoples' invincible frames when they come back from death. The only sucess I had in approach was moving past you flame thrower and getting behind you. I don't think this will be nearly as broken as it seems against pro players. People need to see first before banning.

Using that alone isn't going to ensure you keep your #1 spot. XD

but Ivo is correct, it's already been more or less banned, for a stall or otherwise. It just has too many possibilities to make the game even more broken.

It broken because there no way to deal with it and it just make ppl sitting ducks unable to do any thing vs it. What i find weard riot you keep saying you do not like when ppl run away but this vary move is just that just much worst in that its nearly unconable. On another note now meta will become so popular he is going to be the only one played every other chater just going to fall short. I say play a 5 sec rule on it if your out for longer then 5 sec your disquifited. It also remove meta weekness for not having any rag attk at all. It makes him so wrong in that rng attks what use to be able to hold him at bay or keep him not wining all the time are no longer able to do so.

I plan on using this in the league regardless if I get kicked out or not. I've already made up my mind that I want this tech. And I AM going to use it, jsut not as a stall.

Stalling is realty not the problem it just takes away from meta weakness that keeped him balnes also for you i would think it would be seen as runing away but if you do not mind ppl running from attks then i guess you should be able to justify using it.

how I'd appraoching running away?

Anyways, I have been praticing mastering this move. No more broken ass camping=win.

At what time do the people play(like shea,iclim,tao,ivo,cox,twilit,wasumara.)All the time when I'm on there is nobody on only sometimes riot.There are also other people that I don't know and that play with items and I get bored and go to play mario kart.