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Trunkin on 06 June 2013
antfromtashkent said:
Trunkin said:
antfromtashkent said:

My data is unlimited but they turn it to 56k if I go over 2GB. And that's just cute how you alienated all iPhone users since there are so little of us. 

You're right, it was a bit tactless of me, but I find it somewhat ironic that someone who uses iOS(one of the most closed, restrictive OS's in existence) should complain about Xbox One. I mean, you guys can't even copy a simple .txt file to your phone without jumping through hoops, most interactions between your phone and PC must be through Apple's buggy iTunes software, AND you have to pay extra to use your phone as a mobile hotspot? If you're willing to put up with all that, surely connecting to the internet once every 24 hours shouldn't be that big of a deal to you.

I have never had a problem with iTunes...the hardware is top notch (i still use my iphone 3 as an ipod, ironically with no internet) I'm not sure what you mean by not being able to copy .txt files? I can listen to the music I bought on ALL of my apple devices... Do I need to go on?

In my experience, iTunes crashes frequently, takes an eternity to start up, and is a general pain to work with. Maybe that's due to the fact that my laptop is meh and I'm using apple software in Windows, though. :/

As for the .txt files, iTunes doesn't(didn't?) support them, so even though there are apps for viewing them, I've had to use some other overly contrived method to get them working. It took me the better part of an hour to find a free method to accomplish it. Pain in the ass, it was. On Android all I have to do is copy the files directly to my phone's storage and I'm done.

Music? Heh, that's one convenience we can agree on, but that's just it, isn't it? You put up with Apple's restrictions because they're largely unnoticable to you, and are outweighed by the benefits. Xbox One is no different. You can't buy and sell used games as you please, and you must connect to the internet regularly, but in return you get to access your games from any Xbox, and share them with several family members wirelessly, etc. The restrictions may be debilitating for some, but others, like those with steady internet connections/hotspots, will only notice the good things. Depending on which group you're in, you could either have no problems with XBOne, or simply go with a competing brand that's more to your liking.



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sth88 on 06 June 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
sth88 said:
For anyone saying they have internet on their phones but not in their home, and how that's a dealbreaker since they think that means they won't be able to use the X1, I point you to this statement from the Xbox Wire:

"In areas where an Ethernet connection is not available, you can connect using mobile broadband." So if your mobile broadband is reliable, your X1 will connect to the cloud through that, even in your internet goes down for some reason for a few days. Problem solved.

That is all. Carry on with your arguments.



My phone doesn't have that lol problem not solved. Also, data caps so fuck that

*sigh*  I've been discussing this more with another poster, I've said more on the issue...

If your phone doesn't have internet then obviously it doesn't solve your problem, no need to make an extra point about that, it goes without saying.

If your phone does have internet, then I would guess you need mobile hotspots (which cost money) in order to connect your X1 through it.  That would suck, but that's probably how it is.

Finally, If all you want to do is access the MS servers to authenticate the games, would data caps really be a problem?  You just have to do it once a day and it only takes a minute.  I imagine you'd run into data cap problems if you tried to play multiplayer through your phone's internet (which I'm not sure is possible), but would it really take that much data to just do a quick authentification check?



antfromtashkent on 06 June 2013
Trunkin said:
antfromtashkent said:
Trunkin said:
antfromtashkent said:

My data is unlimited but they turn it to 56k if I go over 2GB. And that's just cute how you alienated all iPhone users since there are so little of us. 

You're right, it was a bit tactless of me, but I find it somewhat ironic that someone who uses iOS(one of the most closed, restrictive OS's in existence) should complain about Xbox One. I mean, you guys can't even copy a simple .txt file to your phone without jumping through hoops, most interactions between your phone and PC must be through Apple's buggy iTunes software, AND you have to pay extra to use your phone as a mobile hotspot? If you're willing to put up with all that, surely connecting to the internet once every 24 hours shouldn't be that big of a deal to you.

I have never had a problem with iTunes...the hardware is top notch (i still use my iphone 3 as an ipod, ironically with no internet) I'm not sure what you mean by not being able to copy .txt files? I can listen to the music I bought on ALL of my apple devices... Do I need to go on?

In my experience, iTunes crashes frequently, takes an eternity to start up, and is a general pain to work with. Maybe that's due to the fact that my laptop is meh and I'm using apple software in Windows, though. :/

As for the .txt files, iTunes doesn't(didn't?) support them, so even though there are apps for viewing them, I've had to use some other overly contrived method to get them working. It took me the better part of an hour to find a free method to accomplish it. Pain in the ass, it was. On Android all I have to do is copy the files directly to my phone's storage and I'm done.

Music? Heh, that's one convenience we can agree on, but that's just it, isn't it? You put up with Apple's restrictions because they're largely unnoticable to you, and are outweighed by the benefits. Xbox One is no different. You can't buy and sell used games as you please, and you must connect to the internet regularly, but in return you get to access your games from any Xbox, and share them with several family members wirelessly, etc. The restrictions may be debilitating for some, but others, like those with steady internet connections/hotspots, will only notice the good things. Depending on which group you're in, you could either have no problems with XBOne, or simply go with a competing brand that's more to your liking.

You just said that iOS is the most closed, restrictive os in existence and still have not said how its more closed than this ms debacle. The system you are talking about let's you use YOUR music, YOUR movies, YOUR games, YOUR apps that YOU BOUGHT on all your apple devices With NO INTERNET required... Do you see what's wrong with your argument yet?



Jay520 on 06 June 2013
JayWood2010 said:


Actually i have only had one person come forward and say that it truly does effect them.  Everybody else I assume is just complaining to complain because it doesn't effect them.  Instead they are playing the what if game.  So no, everybody has been making my points rather than saying it is a horrible comparison.  It isn't a comparison first off, rather just a little ironic situation i see.

While making this thread i expected the kind of responses that i recieved. What I don't expect is for people to come in here and say that it effects them. I know what I'm doing ;)


Nothing's ironic about it. Yes, people browse VGChartz, but this can still effect them. Just because someone browses internet doesn't mean their internet won't go down for longer than a day. And even if it didn't effect them, people can still complain in place of people who don't have an internet connection.

And it also doesn't change the fact that it's a stupid requirement. 

As usual though, I expect you to ignore valid criticism.



Jaywood2010 on 06 June 2013
Jay520 said:
JayWood2010 said:


Actually i have only had one person come forward and say that it truly does effect them.  Everybody else I assume is just complaining to complain because it doesn't effect them.  Instead they are playing the what if game.  So no, everybody has been making my points rather than saying it is a horrible comparison.  It isn't a comparison first off, rather just a little ironic situation i see.

While making this thread i expected the kind of responses that i recieved. What I don't expect is for people to come in here and say that it effects them. I know what I'm doing ;)


Nothing's ironic about it. Yes, people browse VGChartz, but this can still effect them. Just because someone browses internet doesn't mean their internet won't go down for longer than a day. And even if it didn't effect them, that doesn't mean people should complain in place of people who don't have an internet connection.

And it also doesn't change the fact that it's a stupid requirement. 


How many times has your internet went out for more than 24 hours?  Once again, another what if post from a person that is using internet at this exact moment.

If you think it is a stupid requirement then don't buy it.  problem solved. millions will buy it.  Millions won't.  Who cares.

EDIT:  As usual i expect you to edit your post after you read my response XD  




       

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antfromtashkent on 06 June 2013
sth88 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
sth88 said:
For anyone saying they have internet on their phones but not in their home, and how that's a dealbreaker since they think that means they won't be able to use the X1, I point you to this statement from the Xbox Wire:

"In areas where an Ethernet connection is not available, you can connect using mobile broadband." So if your mobile broadband is reliable, your X1 will connect to the cloud through that, even in your internet goes down for some reason for a few days. Problem solved.

That is all. Carry on with your arguments.



My phone doesn't have that lol problem not solved. Also, data caps so fuck that

*sigh*  I've been discussing this more with another poster, I've said more on the issue...

If your phone doesn't have internet then obviously it doesn't solve your problem, no need to make an extra point about that, it goes without saying.

If your phone does have internet, then I would guess you need mobile hotspots (which cost money) in order to connect your X1 through it.  That would suck, but that's probably how it is.

Finally, If all you want to do is access the MS servers to authenticate the games, would data caps really be a problem?  You just have to do it once a day and it only takes a minute.  I imagine you'd run into data cap problems if you tried to play multiplayer through your phone's internet (which I'm not sure is possible), but would it really take that much data to just do a quick authentification check?

Wouldn't you agree that it's a pain in the ass with no benefit to the consumer what so ever?



swii26 on 06 June 2013

Just curious... Doesn't X360 currently require a subscription to LIVE to access the internet? So, to always be connected means being forced to pay for a membership? If this is true, than I can see how people are getting upset.



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Jaywood2010 on 06 June 2013
swii26 said:
Just curious... Doesn't X360 currently require a subscription to LIVE to access the internet? So, to always be connected means being forced to pay for a membership? If this is true, than I can see how people are getting upset.


No.  Silver connects to internet as well.




       

Jay520 on 07 June 2013
JayWood2010 said:


How many times has your internet went out for more than 24 hours?  Once again, another what if post from a person that is using internet at this exact moment.

If you think it is a stupid requirement then don't buy it.  problem solved. millions will buy it.  Millions won't.  Who cares

My internet hasn't went out at all this year. However, last year, I was without internet for several weeks.

You still have yet to address the people who don't have an internet connection. Should we not be upset for those people?

If a person thinks it's a stupid requirement, then they have a right to express their opinion. This is a forum, afterall.



Trunkin on 07 June 2013
antfromtashkent said:
Trunkin said:
antfromtashkent said:
Trunkin said:
antfromtashkent said:

My data is unlimited but they turn it to 56k if I go over 2GB. And that's just cute how you alienated all iPhone users since there are so little of us. 

You're right, it was a bit tactless of me, but I find it somewhat ironic that someone who uses iOS(one of the most closed, restrictive OS's in existence) should complain about Xbox One. I mean, you guys can't even copy a simple .txt file to your phone without jumping through hoops, most interactions between your phone and PC must be through Apple's buggy iTunes software, AND you have to pay extra to use your phone as a mobile hotspot? If you're willing to put up with all that, surely connecting to the internet once every 24 hours shouldn't be that big of a deal to you.

I have never had a problem with iTunes...the hardware is top notch (i still use my iphone 3 as an ipod, ironically with no internet) I'm not sure what you mean by not being able to copy .txt files? I can listen to the music I bought on ALL of my apple devices... Do I need to go on?

In my experience, iTunes crashes frequently, takes an eternity to start up, and is a general pain to work with. Maybe that's due to the fact that my laptop is meh and I'm using apple software in Windows, though. :/

As for the .txt files, iTunes doesn't(didn't?) support them, so even though there are apps for viewing them, I've had to use some other overly contrived method to get them working. It took me the better part of an hour to find a free method to accomplish it. Pain in the ass, it was. On Android all I have to do is copy the files directly to my phone's storage and I'm done.

Music? Heh, that's one convenience we can agree on, but that's just it, isn't it? You put up with Apple's restrictions because they're largely unnoticable to you, and are outweighed by the benefits. Xbox One is no different. You can't buy and sell used games as you please, and you must connect to the internet regularly, but in return you get to access your games from any Xbox, and share them with several family members wirelessly, etc. The restrictions may be debilitating for some, but others, like those with steady internet connections/hotspots, will only notice the good things. Depending on which group you're in, you could either have no problems with XBOne, or simply go with a competing brand that's more to your liking.

You just said that iOS is the most closed, restrictive os in existence and still have not said how its more closed than this ms debacle. The system you are talking about let's you use YOUR music, YOUR movies, YOUR games, YOUR apps that YOU BOUGHT on all your apple devices With NO INTERNET required... Do you see what's wrong with your argument yet?

Ah, but you see I said it's one of the most restrictive, not the single most. You need either an internet connection or a PC with iTunes to put your music, movies, games, and apps on an iOS device. there's no other way around it. Hell, maybe you can change this, but in my experience, even if you're logged into your own account on a second PC, you must first format your iPhone before you're allowed to copy YOUR files from the new PC to your idevice. That's what I mean by restricted. You can access all of your files, but you have to do so in the way that Apple allows, and no other. I have no reason to believe that Xbox One will be any more open, but the nature of the device makes it somewhat more tolerable.

Your issue with Xbox One is it's requirement to have a consistantly steady internet connection, correct? Well, my problem with iOS is it's requirement for me to use iTunes, and it's inability to work as a standalone device. I have no issues going online once every 24 hours with a home console, as I do that every day. In the case of iOS, though, it's restrictive nature makes me unable to use it as a temporary replacement for my PC on short vacations, and whatnot. It's not an issue that everyone has, but neither is unsteady internet.