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SvennoJ on 06 June 2013

I don't care whether it's once an hour, once a day, once a week, whatever. When I buy a physical console disc I expect it to work any time, any where, with or without internet, now or in 20 years without restrictions or being subject to policy changes.

All they needed to do is give you the choice. Offer everything digital day 1, with all the hoops and benefits that come with it, while keeping the physical disc part the same as it is now.
Shops could also sell clearly marked install discs for people that don't want to download 50gb but want the digital benefits day 1. A simple sleeve will do to save costs and stock space.
Make it even better by allowing trading of digital game licenses via online transactions.

That is how you make a consumer friendly console.



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antfromtashkent on 06 June 2013
Trunkin said:
antfromtashkent said:
Trunkin said:
antfromtashkent said:
sth88 said:
For anyone saying they have internet on their phones but not in their home, and how that's a dealbreaker since they think that means they won't be able to use the X1, I point you to this statement from the Xbox Wire:

"In areas where an Ethernet connection is not available, you can connect using mobile broadband." So if your mobile broadband is reliable, your X1 will connect to the cloud through that, even in your internet goes down for some reason for a few days. Problem solved.

That is all. Carry on with your arguments.


Oh snap! Mobile hot spots huh!? I have an iPhone so I don't have that.... It's ok though because I can buy an additional service for that!!! This is dumb...

 

Edit: nevermind the fact that there are data caps on cell services.... Connect to the cloud with it? Hell no. This argument is stupid as well FYI 

Get a real phone. Also, get a service with a data cap of more than 100mb.

My data is unlimited but they turn it to 56k if I go over 2GB. And that's just cute how you alienated all iPhone users since there are so little of us. 

You're right, it was a bit tactless of me, but I find it somewhat ironic that someone who uses iOS(one of the most closed, restrictive OS's in existence) should complain about Xbox One. I mean, you guys can't even copy a simple .txt file to your phone without jumping through hoops, most interactions between your phone and PC must be through Apple's buggy iTunes software, AND you have to pay extra to use your phone as a mobile hotspot? If you're willing to put up with all that, surely connecting to the internet once every 24 hours shouldn't be that big of a deal to you.

I have never had a problem with iTunes...the hardware is top notch (i still use my iphone 3 as an ipod, ironically with no internet) I'm not sure what you mean by not being able to copy .txt files? I can listen to the music I bought on ALL of my apple devices... Do I need to go on?



zorg1000 on 06 June 2013

 

Yet despite these similarities, everyone who talks about Steam LOVES it!  It's such a wonderful service!  Gabe Newell is the greatest force for good in the games industry!  I'm not sure I've come across anyone who was willing to rip on Steam just as hard as they have been ripping on Microsoft.  Steam always seems to get a pass on this issue.

Why the double standard?  Really the only answer I've heard is that Steam gives great sales.  So from what I can gather, it's not really about corporations or consumers' rights to most people; it's about cheap games.

At any rate, it's a real eye-opener to think that Steam, which has various restrictive DRM, has over 50 million users, which is MORE than Xbox Live, which currently has less than 50 million users and NO DRM for the 360.  The digital age is coming with all of its restrictions AND benefits, and tens of millions have already jumped on board.  Console players like me have no choice but to get used to it, because it's the future.  Maybe it won't arrive in full force until the end of the upcoming console generation, but like it or not it's on it's way, I don't currently see anything stopping it.

I think Iits justifiable that u cant sell or trade games on Steam since its digital and there so cheap. With X1 games are physical and will likely be $60.



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VGKing on 06 June 2013

Horrible analogy. Vgchartz is a website, it was born on the internet.

Console games are perfectly playable without an internet connection.

Before anyone brings up iOS, that's not a good analogy either. iOS is pure digital.



sth88 on 06 June 2013
antfromtashkent said:
sth88 said:
antfromtashkent said:
sth88 said:
For anyone saying they have internet on their phones but not in their home, and how that's a dealbreaker since they think that means they won't be able to use the X1, I point you to this statement from the Xbox Wire:

"In areas where an Ethernet connection is not available, you can connect using mobile broadband." So if your mobile broadband is reliable, your X1 will connect to the cloud through that, even in your internet goes down for some reason for a few days. Problem solved.

That is all. Carry on with your arguments.


Oh snap! Mobile hot spots huh!? I have an iPhone so I don't have that.... It's ok though because I can buy an additional service for that!!! This is dumb...

 

Edit: nevermind the fact that there are data caps on cell services.... Connect to the cloud with it? Hell no. This argument is stupid as well FYI 

Allow me to rephrase my point (and my best understanding of how this system works), then, to avoid any confusion...

If you do NOT have an ethernet connection in your home (or wherever it is you want to set up your X1), but you DO have internet on your mobile device in that location, your X1 can access the Microsoft authentification servers through that device, thus allowing you to play your games.  HOW the X1 connects to the mobile device is the key; if it requires your phone to have mobile hotspots, then yes, I guess it would cost iPhone users money (and maybe others, I don't know), and that would suck.  IF, however, the X1 connects to your mobile device through Smartglass, a FREE app on iPhone, then no, you wouldn't need to pay any extra.  Considering how much emphasis they've put on Smartglass as a key part of the Xbox experience, I'd guess that this is the direction they would go, but that's just speculation.

Also, I am NOT trying to imply that you can access online multiplayer or any sort of "cloud processing" through your mobile device.  I wouldn't think that would be possible, but I'm not a tech guy, I don't work for Micrososft, and Microsoft didn't say that one way or the other in their statement, so I don't know.

How did you get all that from that statement....? Also don't you need to have wifi/wired to have your Xbox connected? I honestly don't know but the description on the App Store seems to suggest it?

Hmm...perhaps I've misunderstood something here...let me look again here, I've no problem admitting if I screwed up...

When Microsoft says you can connect through mobile broadband, I assume that means that the X1 is capable of talking to your iPhone and accessing the authentification servers through the internet connection on the phone, even if you don't have wifi.  I don't really know why else Microsoft would make the statement unless that is what they meant; if you don't have ethernet (which is the same as wifi, correct?  Since you plug the ethernet cable into the wifi router), you can connect to the internet through the phone.

But you might be right about the need to pay for mobile hotspots, though; I did a little more research (which I failed to do in my previous post, my apologies), and yes, Apple does charge you to share your mobile connection with other devices, so it seems like you would need to be paying for mobile hotspots in order to connect your X1 through your iPhone.  That would be unfortunate, and suck.  You were right, I was wrong.

Ideally, Microsoft would strike a deal with mobile providers to allow free sharing of internet from smartphones/tablets to the X1, but Microsoft has said nothing of the sort (and as we all know, we do not live in an ideal world).



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thismeintiel on 06 June 2013

This has to be one of the worst comparisons ever. It's even on par with Adam Orth's. Your analogy, in gaming terms, would actually be more like people getting upset that they have to buy a game and put the disk in or download it to play it. In other words, you HAVE TO be online to access websites, just like you HAVE TO have a copy of the game, whether physical or digital, to play that game. You DON'T HAVE TO be connected to the internet to play a single player game.



 

cmeese47 on 06 June 2013

If I do not have internet access then I do not expect that part of my game to work. Of course Microsoft does not care they already blocked people from playing half of their games if they refused to pay for Xbox Live, that is bull shit enough. Add in that Microsoft is now forcing you to have internet access just to use the system. For most of us in America or Western Europe and that is not an issue, for people in Africa, South America, India, China and many other places this makes the system a deal breaker. That is just bad business and stupid.



Max King of the Wild on 06 June 2013
sth88 said:
For anyone saying they have internet on their phones but not in their home, and how that's a dealbreaker since they think that means they won't be able to use the X1, I point you to this statement from the Xbox Wire:

"In areas where an Ethernet connection is not available, you can connect using mobile broadband." So if your mobile broadband is reliable, your X1 will connect to the cloud through that, even in your internet goes down for some reason for a few days. Problem solved.

That is all. Carry on with your arguments.



My phone doesn't have that lol problem not solved. Also, data caps so fuck that



Max King of the Wild on 06 June 2013
Zkuq said:
I guess it would be OK to have an internet check for books, music, movies, car keys/car, etc. as well then (if they had a network interface of some sort). Not that there's anything wrong with it, just sayin' it ain't my cup of tea.

Make sure you don't have more than one friend to drive your car you paid 25k for...



Jaywood2010 on 06 June 2013
thismeintiel said:
This has to be one of the worst comparisons ever. It's even on par with Adam Orth's. Your analogy, in gaming terms, would actually be more like people getting upset that they have to buy a game and put the disk in or download it to play it. In other words, you HAVE TO be online to access websites, just like you HAVE TO have a copy of the game, whether physical or digital, to play that game. You DON'T HAVE TO be connected to the internet to play a single player game.


Actually i have only had one person come forward and say that it truly does effect them.  Everybody else I assume is just complaining to complain because it doesn't effect them.  Instead they are playing the what if game.  So no, everybody has been making my points rather than saying it is a horrible comparison.  It isn't a comparison first off, rather just a little ironic situation i see.

While making this thread i expected the kind of responses that i recieved. What I don't expect is for people to come in here and say that it effects them(As I said, it probably effects less than 5% of the users on here). I know what I'm doing ;)