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Zizzla_Rachet on 06 June 2013
Netyaroze said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
Netyaroze said:
 


You say the SNES is obsolete because it requires cartridges.

 

1. Obviously its obsolete for new games. But not just because of the medium the games are stored. But that doesnt mean its obsolete for  use.

2. Yes its not relevant for video game console manufacturers anymore.

3. Who are you to make that call. Why do you think that I am stretching it with the retro game thing ?

4. ???????????????????????

 

I seriously dont get your point

Carl said " When Microsoft eventually drop the Xbox One servers, which they will, is the Xbox One just going to literally be a TV box?"

 

And your answer is that SNES is obsolete ?  And that he is stretching the retro thing too much ?

 

That doesnt make any sense. Why is this not a valid concern ?


"3. Who are you to make that call. Why do you think that I am stretching it with the retro game thing ?"

IMO you are stretching it...

"4. ???????????????????????"

What ever...

"Carl said " When Microsoft eventually drop the Xbox One servers, which they will, is the Xbox One just going to literally be a TV box?""

Carl also said that it 15 to 20 years from now...really...15 to 20 years from now is not a stretch?

 

 


A stretch for what exactly ? What are you trying to say ? That its not important if MS turns of the servers in 20 years ?

I think you misunderstood what carl was talking about....



 



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Netyaroze on 06 June 2013
Azerth said:
Netyaroze said:
Azerth said:
Netyaroze said:
Azerth said:
So why are people so mad at this cuz it kind of sounds like sony.
The only difference is they dont require a check in and they dont have preferred retailers


People are mad because it requires a checkin and they have to use licensed retailers.

 


I can understand the check in and i also wouldnt be surprised if it gets extended but the retailer one i dont get espically since we dont know whos on it or wat the require ments to get on the list are

The retailer one is a little bit tricky

 

Imagine you have a game. It sells for 60 Dollar. Now you can't just sell it on ebay/Amazon for 50 Dollar. Because you have to sell it to say Gamestop. They offer you 10 Dollar. They are going to resell it for 50 Dollar to someone else.

Result: You got screwed over and possibly also GameStop because they pay to reimburse the Developer.

But who would sell a new game for 10 bucks anyway. So basically you buy a game and it instantly loses 80% of its value.

 

Maybe its not going to be as harsh but I dont see why it wouldnt be that harsh.


But we dont know if ebay or amazon are on the list. For all we know when you sell through them they send you a code that allows you to use the game no matter what it could also make it unuse able to the seller.

second we dont know if retailers will give more or not since they will getting more customers to not only buy but also sell

 

ird whos say ms doesnt start to do sales like steam maybe not to there degree but along the lines.  Everyone seems to be under the assumption that everything will stay the same

I assume Microsoft and Publishers make this to get more money from their customers. So I guess whatever happens in the end it will cost us more money. Sure we could eventually get some games cheaper (or not) but at what costs ? Your whole games collection becomes worthless.

 

Except the online policy nothing would affect me. I never sell my games anyway. But its kind of good to know I didnt burn my money. And some of my old games actually get more expensive every day.

 

I think that the MS business model is horrible and I really hope they fail massively with it. Even if I actually could manage to live with it I dont like the restrictions and the fact that there will eventually be situations where the restrictions will affect me. 



Netyaroze on 06 June 2013
Zizzla_Rachet said:

I think you misunderstood what carl was talking about....


Maybe, So what was he talking about ?

 

I was under the impression he voiced concerns that MS policies will have an effect on retro gaming in the future if MS eventually decides to turn of the servers for old games.



Zizzla_Rachet on 06 June 2013
Netyaroze said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
 

I think you misunderstood what carl was talking about....


Maybe, So what was he talking about ?

 

I was under the impression he voiced concerns that MS policies will have an effect on retro gaming in the future if MS eventually decides to turn of the servers for old games.

right...and I went on about 15-20 years later being to much for the Xbone to have dedicated servers



 



Azerth on 06 June 2013
Netyaroze said:
Azerth said:
Netyaroze said:
Azerth said:
Netyaroze said:
Azerth said:
So why are people so mad at this cuz it kind of sounds like sony.
The only difference is they dont require a check in and they dont have preferred retailers


People are mad because it requires a checkin and they have to use licensed retailers.

 


I can understand the check in and i also wouldnt be surprised if it gets extended but the retailer one i dont get espically since we dont know whos on it or wat the require ments to get on the list are

The retailer one is a little bit tricky

 

Imagine you have a game. It sells for 60 Dollar. Now you can't just sell it on ebay/Amazon for 50 Dollar. Because you have to sell it to say Gamestop. They offer you 10 Dollar. They are going to resell it for 50 Dollar to someone else.

Result: You got screwed over and possibly also GameStop because they pay to reimburse the Developer.

But who would sell a new game for 10 bucks anyway. So basically you buy a game and it instantly loses 80% of its value.

 

Maybe its not going to be as harsh but I dont see why it wouldnt be that harsh.


But we dont know if ebay or amazon are on the list. For all we know when you sell through them they send you a code that allows you to use the game no matter what it could also make it unuse able to the seller.

second we dont know if retailers will give more or not since they will getting more customers to not only buy but also sell

 

ird whos say ms doesnt start to do sales like steam maybe not to there degree but along the lines.  Everyone seems to be under the assumption that everything will stay the same

I assume Microsoft and Publishers make this to get more money from their customers. So I guess whatever happens in the end it will cost us more money. Sure we could eventually get some games cheaper (or not) but at what costs ? Your whole games collection becomes worthless.

 

Exceptional the online policy nothing would affect me. I never sell my games anyway. But its kind of good to know I didnt burn my money. And some of my old games actually get more expensive every day.

 

I think that the MS business model is horrible and I really hope they fail massively with it. Even if I actually could manage to live with it I dont like the restrictions and the fact that there will eventually be situations where the restrictions will affect me. 


I can atleast understand that But like i said i wouldnt be surprised if it gets extended.  I think they are trying to do the samething that they are doing with kinect were they now know that everyone has one well by having a checkin dev wont fear using the cloud stuff



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Netyaroze on 06 June 2013
Zizzla_Rachet said:
Netyaroze said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
 

I think you misunderstood what carl was talking about....


Maybe, So what was he talking about ?

 

I was under the impression he voiced concerns that MS policies will have an effect on retro gaming in the future if MS eventually decides to turn of the servers for old games.

right...and I went on about 15-20 years later being to much for the Xbone to have dedicated servers

Yes ofcourse but what happens to your old games then ? This could eventually be a problem in the future. Its not guaranteed that MS gives a shit in 20 years.



Subie_Greg on 06 June 2013

"Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners."

Taken right from here if you want to check http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-games-can-only-be-given-to-one-person-ever-511754913

Spin it if you wish. Don't see how that is good at all in any way



coolguy on 07 June 2013

Boo I feel bad for people buying this xboxo aim geting a ps4.



VITA 32 GIG CARD.250 GIG SLIM & 160 GIG PHAT PS3

Cirio on 07 June 2013

Many times this gen I've fallen into the hype and bought a game people raved about, only to play it for an hour and find it to be complete shit. I would then put the game on craigslist immediately and have it sold the next day for either 50-55 dollars or for a game trade-in.

I guess with the Xbone this is no longer possible. Either I buy a game, dislike it and get screwed over by keeping a game I'll never play, or I'll get screwed over by selling a one week old game at Gamestop or similar "authorized" retailers for a rip-off price of $35. I really hope Sony doesn't go this route, otherwise it's PS360WiiU for me.



Zizzla_Rachet on 07 June 2013
Netyaroze said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
Netyaroze said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
 

I think you misunderstood what carl was talking about....


Maybe, So what was he talking about ?

 

I was under the impression he voiced concerns that MS policies will have an effect on retro gaming in the future if MS eventually decides to turn of the servers for old games.

right...and I went on about 15-20 years later being to much for the Xbone to have dedicated servers

Yes ofcourse but what happens to your old games then ? This could eventually be a problem in the future. Its not guaranteed that MS gives a shit in 20 years.


LOL...What make you think that 8th gen games wont be available on other devices 20 years from now?