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Zizzla_Rachet said:
Cirio said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:


from my first post

"Okay it has built in Wi-Fi but so far this keeps Xbox One Away from people with out internet acess...which is not a large percent of console buyers so i'm fine with it...."

Once again, how does this make it an acceptable policy? Because you're fine with it? And buddy, those people are not a small percentage, there are millions of 360 owners who don't have internet connection, and I know plenty of 360 owners in other countries who only game Halo offline because they don't have internet. What happens to them?

Niche markets...Microsoft is talking cthe whole cloud enabled console seriosly....It's just not for people not ready for Cloud powered hardware

According to you, many internet-lacking 360 gamers in Asia and other nations are stereotyped into a "niche" market that Microsoft doesn't give a shit about. Totally unacceptable.



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Azerth said:
Netyaroze said:
Azerth said:
So why are people so mad at this cuz it kind of sounds like sony.
The only difference is they dont require a check in and they dont have preferred retailers


People are mad because it requires a checkin and they have to use licensed retailers.

 


I can understand the check in and i also wouldnt be surprised if it gets extended but the retailer one i dont get espically since we dont know whos on it or wat the require ments to get on the list are

The retailer one is a little bit tricky

 

Imagine you have a game. It sells for 60 Dollar. Now you can't just sell it on ebay/Amazon for 50 Dollar. Because you have to sell it to say Gamestop. They offer you 10 Dollar. They are going to resell it for 50 Dollar to someone else.

Result: You got screwed over and possibly also GameStop because they pay to reimburse the Developer.

But who would sell a new game for 10 bucks anyway. So basically you buy a game and it instantly loses 80% of its value.

 

Maybe its not going to be as harsh but I dont see why it wouldnt be that harsh.



Netyaroze said:


You say the SNES is obsolete because it requires cartridges.

 

1. Obviously its obsolete for new games. But not just because of the medium the games are stored. But that doesnt mean its obsolete for  use.

2. Yes its not relevant for video game console manufacturers anymore.

3. Who are you to make that call. Why do you think that I am stretching it with the retro game thing ?

4. ???????????????????????

 

I seriously dont get your point

Carl said " When Microsoft eventually drop the Xbox One servers, which they will, is the Xbox One just going to literally be a TV box?"

 

And your answer is that SNES is obsolete ?  And that he is stretching the retro thing too much ?

 

That doesnt make any sense. Why is this not a valid concern ?


"3. Who are you to make that call. Why do you think that I am stretching it with the retro game thing ?"

IMO you are stretching it...

"4. ???????????????????????"

What ever...

"Carl said " When Microsoft eventually drop the Xbox One servers, which they will, is the Xbox One just going to literally be a TV box?""

Carl also said that it 15 to 20 years from now...really...15 to 20 years from now is not a stretch?

 

 



 



superchunk said:
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Because by accepting it now you are empowering them to take the next step.

What's actually ironic about this, if they had come out and stated it would be a digital only console... I wouldn't be complaining at all, in fact many of those policies are improvements over current digital content.

I've stated it before and I like digital only solutions. But to me the taking away of freedom to handle your disc, physical media, purchases in any form you wish, is what's at the center of my anger.


actually, when you think about it this is the most perplexing part of the whole thing...

based on the latest round of financials digital sales are in the ballpark of 30% of the market and growing.   today,..  MS is pissing off most of the gamers of the world.  in 3-5 years, most gamers would have voluntarily given up their right with no drama at all.  MS is taking tons of heat to expediate a transition that was already happening to solve an issue that was never really and issue while risking the viability of their platform.   i just don't get what they're thinking.



kitler53 said:
superchunk said:
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Because by accepting it now you are empowering them to take the next step.

What's actually ironic about this, if they had come out and stated it would be a digital only console... I wouldn't be complaining at all, in fact many of those policies are improvements over current digital content.

I've stated it before and I like digital only solutions. But to me the taking away of freedom to handle your disc, physical media, purchases in any form you wish, is what's at the center of my anger.


actually, when you think about it this is the most perplexing part of the whole thing...

based on the latest round of financials digital sales are in the ballpark of 30% of the market and growing.   today,..  MS is pissing off most of the gamers of the world.  in 3-5 years, most gamers would have voluntarily given up their right with no drama at all.  MS is taking tons of heat to expediate a transition that was already happening to solve an issue that was never really and issue while risking the viability of their platform.   i just don't get what they're thinking.

Well said.



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Zizzla_Rachet said:
Netyaroze said:
 


You say the SNES is obsolete because it requires cartridges.

 

1. Obviously its obsolete for new games. But not just because of the medium the games are stored. But that doesnt mean its obsolete for  use.

2. Yes its not relevant for video game console manufacturers anymore.

3. Who are you to make that call. Why do you think that I am stretching it with the retro game thing ?

4. ???????????????????????

 

I seriously dont get your point

Carl said " When Microsoft eventually drop the Xbox One servers, which they will, is the Xbox One just going to literally be a TV box?"

 

And your answer is that SNES is obsolete ?  And that he is stretching the retro thing too much ?

 

That doesnt make any sense. Why is this not a valid concern ?


"3. Who are you to make that call. Why do you think that I am stretching it with the retro game thing ?"

IMO you are stretching it...

"4. ???????????????????????"

What ever...

"Carl said " When Microsoft eventually drop the Xbox One servers, which they will, is the Xbox One just going to literally be a TV box?""

Carl also said that it 15 to 20 years from now...really...15 to 20 years from now is not a stretch?

 

 


A stretch for what exactly ? What are you trying to say ? That its not important if MS turns of the servers in 20 years ?



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Netyaroze said:
Azerth said:
Netyaroze said:
Azerth said:
So why are people so mad at this cuz it kind of sounds like sony.
The only difference is they dont require a check in and they dont have preferred retailers


People are mad because it requires a checkin and they have to use licensed retailers.

 


I can understand the check in and i also wouldnt be surprised if it gets extended but the retailer one i dont get espically since we dont know whos on it or wat the require ments to get on the list are

The retailer one is a little bit tricky

 

Imagine you have a game. It sells for 60 Dollar. Now you can't just sell it on ebay/Amazon for 50 Dollar. Because you have to sell it to say Gamestop. They offer you 10 Dollar. They are going to resell it for 50 Dollar to someone else.

Result: You got screwed over and possibly also GameStop because they pay to reimburse the Developer.

But who would sell a new game for 10 bucks anyway. So basically you buy a game and it instantly loses 80% of its value.

 

Maybe its not going to be as harsh but I dont see why it wouldnt be that harsh.


But we dont know if ebay or amazon are on the list. For all we know when you sell through them they send you a code that allows you to use the game no matter what it could also make it unuse able to the seller.

second we dont know if retailers will give more or not since they will getting more customers to not only buy but also sell

 

ird whos say ms doesnt start to do sales like steam maybe not to there degree but along the lines.  Everyone seems to be under the assumption that everything will stay the same



kitler53 said:
superchunk said:
...

Because by accepting it now you are empowering them to take the next step.

What's actually ironic about this, if they had come out and stated it would be a digital only console... I wouldn't be complaining at all, in fact many of those policies are improvements over current digital content.

I've stated it before and I like digital only solutions. But to me the taking away of freedom to handle your disc, physical media, purchases in any form you wish, is what's at the center of my anger.


actually, when you think about it this is the most perplexing part of the whole thing...

based on the latest round of financials digital sales are in the ballpark of 30% of the market and growing.   today,..  MS is pissing off most of the gamers of the world.  in 3-5 years, most gamers would have voluntarily given up their right with no drama at all.  MS is taking tons of heat to expediate a transition that was already happening to solve an issue that was never really and issue while risking the viability of their platform.   i just don't get what they're thinking.

You are quite right but I do think that a digital only console would need quite different models to have the same kind of market that a physical medium has. Steam seems to have a decent model but consoles might need to improve upon that or work something different out entirely if they want to go full digital.



 

Cirio said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:

Niche markets...Microsoft is talking cthe whole cloud enabled console seriosly....It's just not for people not ready for Cloud powered hardware

According to you, many internet-lacking 360 gamers in Asia and other nations are stereotyped into a "niche" market that Microsoft doesn't give a shit about. Totally unacceptable.


Based on Microsoft's agenda towards thier hardware ....yes...Gamers who do not use Internet connections are niche markets..