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Blood_Tears said:
Nsanity said:

I can't see myself picking up an Xbox One at launch or ever..


I am not sure if your being serious or not...but in the off chance you are serious, I wouldn't worry too much about it. Their first party games will most likely draw you in if your a fan, even with the DRM stuff.

For me personally I'm waiting on what there JRPG stuff will be like before I commit to anything. I bought a 360 for Lost Odyssey and I would pick up an X1 for LO2 in a heartbeat.  


Exactly. Even if you're a fan of the exclusives you will most likely buy the console, but because of the DRM people will be very, very picky with what they play so they buy because $60 isnt cheap.



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"Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies. "

Holy fuck



S.T.A.G.E. said:


Sony already said no DRM. Its just that everyone is so freaked out by MS that they aren't willing to listen.


That's good to hear.  I know that Sony has stated that they will leave it up to publishers, but I still want the full details of how that will work.



Side thought to change the subject a bit: Does this mark the death of gamefly?



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I love how the wording of the guidelines seems relatively fine if you skim through it, but once you read each line carefully it's full off restrictions.

I wonder how they are going to break the news to the general consumer.



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JOKA_ said:
Side thought to change the subject a bit: Does this mark the death of gamefly?

Explicitly yes.



Talal said:
They're just over complicating everything.

Exactly.



superchunk said:
disolitude said:

Sorry family member sharing only...

"Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere: Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games.  You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time."

In terms of ownership and losing value, games have the worst depriciation of any product out there. Within a month usually you lose half of the value. Within a year you'd be happy to get 5 bucks for 80% of the games out there. Its definetly not an investment you should consider for any other purpose other than entertainment.  

I see a slew of potentials here with this family thing that will save me and my friends lots of money. but even if it falls through, so be it, I may not buy as much. All I know is that I have ~50 bucks every week dedicated to gaming, most of which end up sitting and rotting in me Steam library or on a bookshelf. 

This Xbox One absolutely changes nothing for me.

I edited my post to be more clear. I meant sharing while being able to play same game at same time and I guess there is one advantage that depending how you define your family, you can share games independently without having to transfer a disc. So that's nice. (no sarcasm there, it is nice)

But I still don't like the concept of losing ownership and/or used gaming... and your devaluation of games is off base. I do used all the time and its no where near that cheap that fast on almost any game unless it was crapware to begin with. But now, instead of buying a $60 game a couple months later for $35, it will likely only be full price at say $50.

Countless times I've bought a game used for say $35. Played it for a month or two. Then resold for like $30. Or same situation with a new game for $50 and then resold two months later for $35. There's definite value in used market for buyers and sellers, so long as you ignore Gamestop.

This does change stuff for you as it makes DRM policies accepted. Eventually it will get worse and then you'll look back and wish you said "no" in 2013.

I do understand the used games case you are describing and that does make the Xbox less appealing to someone that is able to buy and resell a game at a 5-10 dollar loss. At the same time I understand why Microsoft doesn't want that, and franky doesn't care if you buy their console.

I also see why they want people with internet to buy it. Its clear that Microsoft wants to push their services more than sell games at this point. Just look at the Xbox One...Xbox, Kinect, Skype, Windows, Bing, IE, Skydrive, Azure...all present in one form or another. Xbox is like Microsoft All Stars 2013...lol. While Microsoft is most likely aware that some people will skip their console because of lack of internet...I am pretty sure they calculated that the value of pushing their other services will make up for that, and then some.

I don't know what I will say down the road about this...but for now I just want to be entertained and I don't see anything wrong with Xbox One. If Xbox One has good games, I will buy it. If it any point down the road, it becomes untolerable with its DRM policies, I will get rid of it and game somewher else.

I don't see anything wrong with this way of thinking.



MoHasanie said:
UltimateUnknown said:

I don't know how M$ defines a family member though in this case. Can it be anyone?

Nope, MS will use the Kinect to spy on you and make sure that the person playing is actually your family member. 

Why didn't I think of that? That Kinect is obviously equipped with the tech to able to genetically check for any immediate family members playing the game lol.

Anyway, on a serious note if it was house specific then I could see them letting this sharing feature be IP locked for as many Xbones in one house, but if it can be anywhere, then I guess you could share it with anyone.

But to be honest that much should kind of be a given. Right now I can give my game disc to as many family members or friends or random people (if I chose to) for as long as I want. They are putting a cap of 10 to that but making it convenient for them to play by letting them have a digital copy and not a disc. This is of course assuming family members are just any random people you choose, which may very well not be true. But we will see.

So in this aspect I would say they are in the neutral zone. You are putting a cap for more convenience and for one other family member to be able to play your game at the same time.



 

disolitude said:

I do understand the used games case you are describing and that does make the Xbox less appealing to someone that is able to buy and resell a game at a 5-10 dollar loss. At the same time I understand why Microsoft doesn't want that, and franky doesn't care if you buy their console.

I also see why they want people with internet to buy it. Its clear that Microsoft wants to push their services more than sell games at this point. Just look at the Xbox One...Xbox, Kinect, Skype, Windows, Bing, IE, Skydrive, Azure...all present in one form or another. Xbox is like Microsoft All Stars 2013...lol. While Microsoft is most likely aware that some people will skip their console because of lack of internet...I am pretty sure they calculated that the value of pushing their other services will make up for that, and then some.

I don't know what I will say down the road about this...but for now I just want to be entertained and I don't see anything wrong with Xbox One. If Xbox One has good games, I will buy it. If it any point down the road, it becomes untolerable with its DRM policies, I will get rid of it and game somewher else.

I don't see anything wrong with this way of thinking.

Because by accepting it now you are empowering them to take the next step.

What's actually ironic about this, if they had come out and stated it would be a digital only console... I wouldn't be complaining at all, in fact many of those policies are improvements over current digital content.

I've stated it before and I like digital only solutions. But to me the taking away of freedom to handle your disc, physical media, purchases in any form you wish, is what's at the center of my anger.