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Lafiel on 05 June 2013
kitler53 said:

i've been told MS have mountains of money to ensure that the xbone is succesful.  wouldn't taking a high cost per chip for a couple of months until you can get better yields be worth it?  its not like this kind of issue should take years to figure out.  faced with missing this holiday, down specing the system, or taking a short term financial hit,..  i'd take the hit and hide it in MS's billion+ quarterly profits.

I'm not so sure about that. Molyneux said in the after show discussion for the X1 reveal at IGN that when he was still there they had 2 possible routes, but both were planned with profitability first in mind - the console as it is now he said was like a mix of both concepts, but I doubt that they dropped the aspiration to be profitable from the start.



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DirtyP2002 on 05 June 2013
kitler53 said:
Porcupine_I said:
kitler53 said:
wouldn't low yield just mean low shipment numbers at launch until it is figured out?

probably, but if you want high shipment numbers at launch and a downgrade of the clockspeed can fix the problems of the faulty chips, you could also go down that route.

problem is, if you do that you can't fix it later.


i was going to rebuttle with that but you beat me too it.  downclocking now would really fuck up all the games currently in developement and limit future potential (without cloud assist which if I were MS I wouldn't rely on after the always online fallout).

 

also, it's just a little air-born..

wait wait wait... you can fix that with a more expensive chipset?



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

kitler53 on 05 June 2013
Lafiel said:
kitler53 said:

i've been told MS have mountains of money to ensure that the xbone is succesful.  wouldn't taking a high cost per chip for a couple of months until you can get better yields be worth it?  its not like this kind of issue should take years to figure out.  faced with missing this holiday, down specing the system, or taking a short term financial hit,..  i'd take the hit and hide it in MS's billion+ quarterly profits.

I'm not so sure about that. Molyneux said in the after show discussion for the X1 reveal at IGN that when he was still there they had 2 possible routes, but both were planned with profitability first in mind - the console as it is now he said was like a mix of both concepts, but I doubt that they dropped the aspiration to be profitable from the start.


not sure i follow.  which part are you not sure about?  didn't molyneux leave MS?  what are the two possible routes? 



michael_stutzer on 05 June 2013
Porcupine_I said:
michael_stutzer said:
Euphoria14 said:
Don't worry guys, the cloud will make it 4x more powerful, making this a non-issue.

Yeah, I don't know why people are talking about this. It is a non-issue.

it's the haters! the haters i tell you!

The cloud is the equivalent of 3 Xboxes. So it is 3.6 Tflops. If they lose 300 Gflops, it is 3.3 Tflops. Still almost two times as powerful as the PS4.



thranx on 05 June 2013
Xenostar said:
kowenicki said:
Carl2291 said:
Problem after problem after problem.

Seems rushed and panicked.


Really?

To me it seems like the ONE has completely taken over the media. 

All going well, unless you live in an internet forum and believe every little rumour.


Can you show me where its taken over the media, ive literally seen nothing about either console on TV of Papers, On the internet ive seen very few positive articles. I just dont get where your seeing this media take over. Outside of forums I see 90% negative articles on things like gi.biz, ign, eurogamer and so on. 

They have stories about the one in every finincial site i go to. They have stories about the one in the media sites i go to. the only place i see ps4 is in the gaming media, the one has been in all the other media (that most people actually watch and read)  sites I go to also. I believe it has been on a talk show already too. I have seen articles on CNN, fox news etc. I agree all the gaming media is up in ears about the one, but the rest of media is not. I am not searching out these articles either, they show up on drudgereport.com and yahoo finance, and yahoo news. Those are the places I go. I think forbes has had an article (maybe 2). The BBC has also done some articles on it I believe.



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sales2099 on 05 June 2013
kowenicki said:
SonyHeavyMetal92 said:
sales2099 said:
 

If Sony fans can say Sony learned from their early mistakes this gen, then I have the right to say the same. that is all. I call propaganda until proven wrong.


you did not answer my question... wow and this is from some one that says sony fans are always deflecting :P

You know a lot about posters to say you are new...

 

OT

Its great that after a lull, we now have a negative thread where sony fans can gather to mock and declare instant doom and failure off yet another rumour.

In all the recent positive XBONE and MS game news threads over the last few days its been really quiet.

What was Pezus saying again?

That somehow there has been constant Sony hate? Don't know how the hell he sees that......I myself am in the trenches here fighting the good fight!



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

ethomaz on 05 June 2013
Otakumegane said:
Can someone explain eSRAM and why it's so important all of a sudden?

It a part really important when you have a slow RAM in your system... the eSRAM or eDRAM is used to cache some data and avoid the usual bottleneck caused by low speeds issues in memory RAM... for graphics a system uses a lot of bandwidth so these embedded RAM are fast and have amazing low latency.

nVidia will use embedded RAM in the next generation of GPUs because the graphical power is increasing more than the GDDR speeds... so the RAM speeds will be a bottleneck for PC games soon... so they will use embedded RAM like MS and Nintendo do.



kitler53 on 05 June 2013
DirtyP2002 said:
kitler53 said:
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i was going to rebuttle with that but you beat me too it.  downclocking now would really fuck up all the games currently in developement and limit future potential (without cloud assist which if I were MS I wouldn't rely on after the always online fallout).

 

also, it's just a little air-born..

wait wait wait... you can fix that with a more expensive chipset?

if you downclock the initial shippments to achieve better yeilds you can't really fix that later.  unless MS is prepared to go the route of multi-spec consoles every xbone console will be down-speced for the entire generation.

if you stick to your orignal spec and the yeilds are currently low the intial shipments will have expensive chipsets (~chip cost = (wafer cost)/((chips per waffer)*(yeild%)) ) and probably lower stock at launch.  that cost will quickly come down in price when the yeild issues are figured out in what i'll assume is a few months time.

..or you delay until 2014.

 

I think those are the three options if the rumor is true.



slowmo on 05 June 2013
kowenicki said:

You know a lot about posters to say you are new...

 

OT

Its great that after a lull, we now have a negative thread where sony fans can gather to mock and declare instant doom and failure off yet another rumour.

In all the recent positive XBONE and MS game news threads over the last few days its been really quiet.

What was Pezus saying again?

 

Indeed and once again, there will no doubt be another few duplicate threads where people repeat the same rumour in different articles while spouting the same crap.  But this never happens on here remember...



ethomaz on 05 June 2013
walsufnir said:
sth88 said:
 

I'm no tech expert, but doesn't the X1 have more advantages over the Wii U than just GPU speeds?

 

Of course. Better CPU, better GPU, more ram, faster ram, esram is same (although probably with lower bandwidth), SHAPE-audio-chip most probably more capable than WiiU-solution, especially because of the total sound-processing-offloading to SHAPE...

Bold: No, they are not the same... Wii U uses eDRAM like 360... Xbone uses eSRAM... different techs, different performance, different results... for games the eSRAM have advantage over eDRAM because the high bandwidth (speed) and low latency.

The main differences...

1. SRAM is static while DRAM is dynamic
2. SRAM is faster compared to DRAM
3. SRAM consumes less power than DRAM
4. SRAM uses more transistors per bit of memory compared to DRAM
5. SRAM is more expensive than DRAM
6. DRAM is used in main memory while SRAM is commonly used in cache memory