really souns like Ninteno TVii. Nice to find someone working for a cable company. Can u please compare and contrast the way TVii and Guide are going about it?

I'm not talking in circles. 

From your perspective, any added feature that's beyond gaming is of no value.

The Xbox One isn't like buying a TV and a Refrigerator.   It is more akin to purchasing a TV with a built in DVD player.  Is it going to have value to everyone?  No.  Does it have the potential to have value, to people it doesn't currently offer value to, in the future?  Yes.  There are several features of the Xbox 360 and the original Xbox that falls into that. 

The Xbox 360 included integration with Windows Media Center.  Not many people took advantage of that feature, but for those that did, it was an great feature.  Yay to them!  I didn't particularly like it and found it slow as molasses, but that doesn't take away from the benefit other people found in the feature nor does it take away from the feature itself, nor did that harm the value and ability for the device to play games.

I'm not willing to accept the premise that every feature must be valued by every person who could potentially purchase the console.  There are features and capabilities that are important to one person that aren't important to another person, but they may still buy the same product to file their need and the things they didn't think were important they may find are important to them later.

A family member bought a new car this summer, it had AWD, which she didn't really think would be useful to her.  That is until this past winter when she suddenly realized, on the way to work, that she was driving through conditions that her previous car would have struggled with and which her husband in his car had gotten stuck.  Something that wasn't of importance to her, something which she wouldn't have outright purchased the car for, ended up being and important feature to her.

I don't honestly understand how a feature cannot be a added value, if it's something over and above what is required.  I can understand that something may not be of particular value to you, but the question wasn't do you value it.  The question I asked was whether or not something was an added value.

Never knew the original name of that book. ha ha

I didnt say it wasnt nice to have extra features. What i said is that the decision making process is more complex than that and the core concoles features take precedance and definitly arent the same for both systems.

Given this, having little extra features doesnt make the product a more appealing purchase when these arent enough to overshadow the core features that are denied or stealth charged to you on the Xbox one.

And by the way, you can connect your PS3 to the computer to stream media aswell. It wasnt an Xbox 360 exclusive feature. We actually dont know if these features will also be on the PS4, but we do know that Sony doesnt slap us in the face with it and chooses to focus on the core features, wich are what we really care about when buying a console.

If i had to explain what i mean to you in the simplest manner... I think you posted a bar graphic with Xbox One and PS4 value claiming they were equal on core gaming features and Xbox one had more features outside that and therefore more value. What im telling you is that the part you claimed is equal, isnt. And as such the overall value isnt skewed towards the Xbox one like you think it is. If you remove those features we enter an imaginary world that is irrelevant or only relevant for set up box cutomers. It is a games console were buying.

The xbox one and the ps4 will be sharing multiplat games, and each will have their own line up of exclusive games. What is different about the 2 regarding games? Both have sharing optons for captured gameplay video, both have cloud saving features, both have online multiplayer. What does the xbox one lack for games that the PS4 has? The xbox one has the added feature of cloud computing that can be used for games (who know how well it will work) but it seems to me as both are great gaming systems.

that stuff is cool,but you have devices that already do all that. I don't see how this is some game changer.

i dont know of a single device that lets you watch and surf tv and media by voice (besides the current kinect). PLease if there is another device that does that let me know. I am a big fan fan of voice controls.

One thing that bugs me is the potential for voice fuck up.

Let's say I'm in my house just BSing with my buddies and I'm telling them a story and I say somethign like "hahah yeah so last night I was using my XBOX to WATCH PORN...." all of a sudden the damn all knowing Kinect picks that up and changes the TV to start watching some damn pornhub. Kids freak, wife gets pissed and now I'm out of real sex for days.

Yeah xbox one is gonna change the world.

Oh but thats where you're wrong.

First you need to pay a monthly fee for online multiplayer acess, second you need to buy a gamepad battery seperatly, third you are forced to aquire the kinect wether you like motion controls or not, forth you must give up the right of property over your games and you cant buy used or sell your used games making you lose a source of revenue, fifth you need to have an uninterruptable connection, sixth you have to trust microsoft to not abandon the games support for the core after the first two years like they did with the 360.

I'm also gonna ignore the fact that the PS4 allows you to stream your games from your console to your Vita wherever you are aslong as you have an internet connection, allowing you to play your PS4 anywhere.

If both consoles had the same price, you would have to add to the Xbox one price: 40-50 euros on a gamepad battery every two years (if its like the 360 one its how long they last) + 50-60 euros per year for Xbox live gold + all the revenue you would get for your used games + alot of faith that microsoft is gonna keep supporting you + a stable internet location and ISP.

Look at that! With just the first two in the first year you are already paying an extra 100 euros this goes at the average of 75 euros a year for the rest of the consoles life added to an even greater random value of revenue from used games sold you lost.

In 3 years you will be losing more than 250 euros than you would with the PS4, everything beeing confirmed. Think if thats really added value there. You sugest having a guide on the TV and voice controls in any way offsets this devalue? I just dont see it. But hey... different people have different needs. If you want to fork out this much money for those features go ahead. Just dont expect me to believe you when you say this is added value in comparison to what the PS4 offers. It really isnt. This "value" comes at a high cost.

edit: Turns out from recent news that you just wont be able to sell the used games you buy and its undisclosed how much you get for selling your games exaclty, so the loss there isnt as big as once though, but its still a loss.

I didnt say anything about price.

You said that they weren't making the xbox one a game machine. I merely showed how you are wrong about that, if the xbox one isn't good for games neither is the PS4 as they will have the same games.

Whats the price of the PS4? Whats the price of teh xbox one? With out knowing either one there is no point in comparing pricing. It will all be made up.