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J_Allard on 02 June 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
J_Allard said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Actually the games department has been a bigger chunk of Sony than in the past. Their electronics isnt doing that great these days and they need and its not that they dont make it quality stuff, they just make the average consumer pay too much for it when theres other alternatives. When I asked the question about what other areas is Sony majorly focusing on outside of games for the console. I said the console...I am not talking abou the brand. We know MS's major interests are outside of gaming and they made that abundantly clear with the Xboxone, byt trying to undercut Apple & Samsung in one fell swoop. That is the definition of spreading yourself thin.

Of course MS has major interests outside of gaming. Things that bring in more money than gaming. Sony has major interests outside of gaming as well. Like movies/music and selling life insurance. Especially the insurance part, since they make more money as an insurance company than anything else. You can try to sugarcoat Sony's intentions and strategy all you want but the fact of the matter is these are two big companies who exist solely to try and make money off of consumers.

As for focuses as it pertains to the console, without detailed documentation regarding how much each of the big 3 spend on all avenues of their consoles, you're just peddling off your opinion as fact.


There better be games that will bring the casuals towards the Xbox One in droves because they will not shell out $500 for a settop box console without kinect games. Yes, games are needed to even convince most non-gamers to game. Kinect will probably have 5-6 titles for casuals out of the 15 exclusives so hopefully at least two are a hit. 

As for Sony, I didn't sugarcoat a thing. If saying Sony was being gamercentric....you obviously didn't see the both of their reveals. I am just telling you what you never want to hear.

Casuals won't shell out $500 for a PS4 without some games that bring in the casuals either. What's your point? You think Sony isn't going to try and bring in some casual gamers? This gif is just as cringe-worthy as that Nintendo Wii Music E3 presentation. Yikes.


MS saved their games for E3 and were even nice enough to tell you they would before the reveal even started. Not their fault if you didn't listen.



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mantlepiecek on 02 June 2013

It's a little funny to see everyone think sony will do something because MS did. Last gen it was xbox live gold, pay to play online, Sony will follow it. This time it is DRM, Sony says it didn't follow it, people make stupid comparisons with online passes while they pay to play online essentially getting locked their mp component from all their games. Even new games.

Would be interesting to see this gen indeed.



DietSoap on 02 June 2013
Otakumegane said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Otakumegane said:


In a way it still is, 3rd parties are allowed to do this.

And we all know EA and Activision will.

That means to a degree, Sony are supporting the used games DRM, which makes Nintendo the only console manufacturer this gen not to restrict used games to any degree.

Honestly I'm a bit bummed that Sony "kinda" is going this route. And will still require you to go online for certain games. So it looks like I'll be getting a PS3 and sticking with it. This sealed the deal on my PS4 purchase in the future.


Sony said back in Februrary they hadn't even thought of DRM in the console. If EA and Activision put a paywall on their games, then thats only two publishers it is in no way as bad as what the Xboxone will be forcing upon people

 

It's not like they suddenly decided to let the publishers do this, they had this in works for a time. This is an outright lie.

And before the Xbone conference mind you. Now theycan annouce that they have DRM in some form because the goalposts have been moved. "Oh at least it's not system-wide" Sony fans say.

Imagine the crap they would have gotten if they annouced this before Xbone reveal. Now it's suddenly acceptable?

Same stuff. This is Sony supporting publisher's decisions to go this route and I ain't havingno part in it. I'll enjoy my PS3, but I'm staying the hell away from this.

You realize this is the same policy as it was on PS2, right? The means have been there ever since consoles went online, the only difference was it was generally only MMOs that did it then, but they were still fully capable and could've just as easily done it for single player games. They can do it just as easily on the Wii U through the same methods as always, and if western 3rd party support doesn't completely die out there, that's realisticaly what you're going to start seeing, perhaps starting with Watch Dogs.



Normando on 02 June 2013

Good to see things won't change from this gen (for Sony anyways).



Subie_Greg on 02 June 2013
Normando said:
Good to see things won't change from this gen (for Sony anyways).


Yes good to see that Sony and Nintendo aren't doing what Microsoft is



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Machiavellian on 02 June 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Machiavellian said:
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JazzB1987 said:
Since this is sony we are talking about that also try to fool everyone with stuff like "this footage is directly captured from a PS3 system" (which basically means this is running a bluray with prerendered footage) .... I guess that means they will highly recommend instead of require the DRM stuff and since they talk about initial establishment of the console this means they are going to add this within the first 2 years.

Third party is who pushes this crap and Sony lets the third party decide so its the same shit as with Xb1....

They also never said that used games wont be blocked with a future update!

I hate that companies say everything completely mysterious and are so vague. Say NOT WITH PS4 this is simple "3" words instead of some strange PR blahblah. What about being direct? You know like "attack its weak spot for massive damage" simple yet totally understandable!


Sony stated long ago after their reveal that they never thought of DRM at all, that was all Microsoft who demands the console be online at least once a day.

It would be very hard for me to believe Sony did not think about or talked about DRM when they are the only company with a patent on it.  It also would be hard for me to believe Sony did not have something in place when they were asked direct question on the subject we go no comment.  It's not like Sony was against having project 10 dollars within there own games.  It's not like Sony never put root kits on people pcs for CDs.

Any way is it me or is anyone asking the right question.  Stop asking if Sony is doing what MS is doing and ask is there a system on the console for DRM.  If there is a system for DRM how is it implemented and enforce.

People seem to be so wrapped up in how MS does its DRM but it seems no one is asking if Sony does something different.  


If they answered that a long time ago. I swear to god, its like if MS does something wrong Sony must follow suit....seriously no. Everyone expected Sony to make people pay for PSN just like Xbox Live Gold because gold was successful and Sony did the gamer centric thing by creating PSN Plus. I had no doubt Sony had no plans for DRM the way the Japanese deal with gaming, thats something only the American companies would have the balls to start. Low and behold I was correct and Sony confirmed that they never thought to put DRM in their system. Your question has been answered since february, you guys just refuse to believe it. Is it so hard to believe that Sony could be a more consistent gamercentric brand? 

My guestion has not been answered.  You show me one statement where Sony said they have no DRM in place on there console.  There is a big difference between someone asking Sony must the console always be online to, can or do your console make online checks.  Is there a system in place to do online checks.  Is a game registered with either you PSN account or to your console.  Can you actually find answered to any of those questions then then I would be surprised because Sony has not answered them.  When Sony was pressed along those lines they said no comment.

The easy way for Sony to kill everything is to say we do not include any DRM within our console.  It works exactly like the PS3.  Instead you get very general answers to very tightly scoped questions.



thismeintiel on 02 June 2013
mantlepiecek said:

It's a little funny to see everyone think sony will do something because MS did. Last gen it was xbox live gold, pay to play online, Sony will follow it. This time it is DRM, Sony says it didn't follow it, people make stupid comparisons with online passes while they pay to play online essentially getting locked their mp component from all their games. Even new games.

Would be interesting to see this gen indeed.

So true.  But, I guess I can't blame them.  They are worried.  Really no other way to put it.  They know MS has greatly limited the audience they can sell to, now.  And while they won't say it, MS's TV centric reveal has them worried, as well.  Just reminds me of the past 3 E3s for MS, where core gaming has taken a back seat to mulitmedia features and Kinect. 

I mean, why else can Sony say the PS4 can be played without being connected to the internet ever, yet they still have to convince others (or maybe themselves) that 3rd parties are going to be able to do DRM?  The only way they could do it is for multi-player, as some have done this gen.  Of course, that doesn't matter if you have crap or no internet.



 

MegaDrive08 on 02 June 2013

Sony takes out iron bar and smashes it around Microsofts Head ;)



 

silicon on 02 June 2013

Hopefully SONY is smart enough to understand that distribution and good PR is more important than DRM. No DRM on used games is not necessary with the huge push toward direct downloads on PSN.



kupomogli on 02 June 2013
osed125 said:
Max King of the Wild said:

they are doing it with the Xbone, they are going to do it for the PS4 as well


Tell me oh wise one. What will my life be like in 10 years

I guess it's not possible to have a decent debate with you. If you read my comment you would have known that non of the things I said are factual. All this is a waiting game, all we can do know is speculate.

But if we go by your logic then I can ask you the same question.

None of what you said is factual.  Speculation isn't factual.   Regardless if it comes true, it was still sepculation on your part because you had no idea what the outcome would be.  I could make 100 speculations on how your day will turn out, and one of them is bound to be true.  I'd only be stating facts then too, right?

What people have stated and you've failed to take notice in, repeatedly, is that online is not a requirement.  What happens is PS4 Owner #374 doesn't have the internet and a used game pass is implemented on the game?  He's going to get screwed out of playing that game.  Now I agree with you that there are third party developers that may do that, but most won't.  As I've stated in a previous post, there are many PC developers who have no DRM tied to their games.  PC games that could be given to 100 of your friends and played without a key, disc, or anything.  These are going to be some of the developers making games on the PS4 and they're going to lock down a console game for used sales when they don't lock down a PC game from piracy?  Do you honestly believe that? 

A lot of console developers didn't even get into the idea of using online passes.  What's going to happen is that PS4 devs will continue to lock out online sections of games with passes and leave single player content available for all to use.  There will be some who lock used games, but very few, and I won't be buying those games on PS4.