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papamudd on 10 June 2013

I'm sorry I think I missed the memo... when did anyone get confirmation or leak/press release that Sony built in DRM to the PS4?



Talal said:
I will permaban myself if the game releases in 2014.

in reference to KH3 release date

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Dr.Grass on 10 June 2013
Zizzla_Rachet said:
Dr.Grass said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:

Backwards Compatibility options - We heard once about a cell on a chip that could be sold at 99$ and planted into the ps4.

(This is big..If PS4 has BC it will be monumental)

 

 

Backwards Compatibility IS NOT huge and HAS NEVER been. HOW MANY PS1 games did anyone play on PS2!? Even with the improved textures, this feature was hardly ever used after the console was on the market for 2-3 years. Sure it's fun to replay FFIX, but those that want to do that already have a PSOne don't they?

EVERY gen so many people are clamoring  for this shit without thinking that in 2 years they're not going to give a flying rat's-ass if it's there or not because a 2nd hand PS3 will be $75.

Really, I wish we could just put this one to bed.


"HOW MANY PS1 games did anyone play on PS2!?"

PFFFFFTTTTT..... Your not serios are you?


I know a bunch of people who had a PSOne and moved on to PS2. One guy played Tony Hawk 2 on PS2 cause the textures looked nicer. One guy played FFIX. They played a bit here and there.

They mostly moved the PSOne and all the games into another room or gave it to their little brother etc.

Here's the important part: After the game drought finished (if you don't know about it you weren't there) and the hard hitters came pouring in, hardly anyone touched their PSOne games. IF it was done then it was just for nostalgia, and in that case the PSOne was just fine to use too.



weaveworld on 10 June 2013
Dr.Grass said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
Dr.Grass said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:

Backwards Compatibility options - We heard once about a cell on a chip that could be sold at 99$ and planted into the ps4.

(This is big..If PS4 has BC it will be monumental)

 

 

Backwards Compatibility IS NOT huge and HAS NEVER been. HOW MANY PS1 games did anyone play on PS2!? Even with the improved textures, this feature was hardly ever used after the console was on the market for 2-3 years. Sure it's fun to replay FFIX, but those that want to do that already have a PSOne don't they?

EVERY gen so many people are clamoring  for this shit without thinking that in 2 years they're not going to give a flying rat's-ass if it's there or not because a 2nd hand PS3 will be $75.

Really, I wish we could just put this one to bed.


"HOW MANY PS1 games did anyone play on PS2!?"

PFFFFFTTTTT..... Your not serios are you?


I know a bunch of people who had a PSOne and moved on to PS2. One guy played Tony Hawk 2 on PS2 cause the textures looked nicer. One guy played FFIX. They played a bit here and there.

They mostly moved the PSOne and all the games into another room or gave it to their little brother etc.

Here's the important part: After the game drought finished (if you don't know about it you weren't there) and the hard hitters came pouring in, hardly anyone touched their PSOne games. IF it was done then it was just for nostalgia, and in that case the PSOne was just fine to use too.


If I would have been able to play Ps2 games on my Ps3, I would. I've played a load of ps1 games on my ps2 also. I'm fine with people not caring for BC, but seriously why should it be put to bed...? Some people do care, some don't, keep an open mind here. If by any chance the Ps4 has BC i'd be among the early adopters. Otherwise I will probably be waiting a couple of years untill there are enough interesting games for me.



Dr.Grass on 10 June 2013
weaveworld said:
Dr.Grass said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
Dr.Grass said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:

Backwards Compatibility options - We heard once about a cell on a chip that could be sold at 99$ and planted into the ps4.

(This is big..If PS4 has BC it will be monumental)

 

 

Backwards Compatibility IS NOT huge and HAS NEVER been. HOW MANY PS1 games did anyone play on PS2!? Even with the improved textures, this feature was hardly ever used after the console was on the market for 2-3 years. Sure it's fun to replay FFIX, but those that want to do that already have a PSOne don't they?

EVERY gen so many people are clamoring  for this shit without thinking that in 2 years they're not going to give a flying rat's-ass if it's there or not because a 2nd hand PS3 will be $75.

Really, I wish we could just put this one to bed.


"HOW MANY PS1 games did anyone play on PS2!?"

PFFFFFTTTTT..... Your not serios are you?


I know a bunch of people who had a PSOne and moved on to PS2. One guy played Tony Hawk 2 on PS2 cause the textures looked nicer. One guy played FFIX. They played a bit here and there.

They mostly moved the PSOne and all the games into another room or gave it to their little brother etc.

Here's the important part: After the game drought finished (if you don't know about it you weren't there) and the hard hitters came pouring in, hardly anyone touched their PSOne games. IF it was done then it was just for nostalgia, and in that case the PSOne was just fine to use too.


If I would have been able to play Ps2 games on my Ps3, I would. I've played a load of ps1 games on my ps2 also. I'm fine with people not caring for BC, but seriously why should it be put to bed...? Some people do care, some don't, keep an open mind here. If by any chance the Ps4 has BC i'd be among the early adopters. Otherwise I will probably be waiting a couple of years untill there are enough interesting games for me.


"but seriously why should it be put to bed...?"


Because it's the exact same shit every gen. This and "Oh I'm still happy with my PS3, we don't need a PS4". People are scared they'll lose out somehow.

From a pure business perspective it's idiotic to make a console more expensive to appease a few customers for a limited time.

If there's a seperate model or an add-on with this, then that's a completely different story.

I'm just sick of the "calls for BC" from people who haven't been gaming gen after gen after gen and thus haven't realized that it's a new machine with new software. You still have your old console. GO PLAY IT. JFC.



theprof00 on 10 June 2013
Dr.Grass said:
weaveworld said:
Dr.Grass said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
Dr.Grass said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:

Backwards Compatibility options - We heard once about a cell on a chip that could be sold at 99$ and planted into the ps4.

(This is big..If PS4 has BC it will be monumental)

 

 

Backwards Compatibility IS NOT huge and HAS NEVER been. HOW MANY PS1 games did anyone play on PS2!? Even with the improved textures, this feature was hardly ever used after the console was on the market for 2-3 years. Sure it's fun to replay FFIX, but those that want to do that already have a PSOne don't they?

EVERY gen so many people are clamoring  for this shit without thinking that in 2 years they're not going to give a flying rat's-ass if it's there or not because a 2nd hand PS3 will be $75.

Really, I wish we could just put this one to bed.


"HOW MANY PS1 games did anyone play on PS2!?"

PFFFFFTTTTT..... Your not serios are you?


I know a bunch of people who had a PSOne and moved on to PS2. One guy played Tony Hawk 2 on PS2 cause the textures looked nicer. One guy played FFIX. They played a bit here and there.

They mostly moved the PSOne and all the games into another room or gave it to their little brother etc.

Here's the important part: After the game drought finished (if you don't know about it you weren't there) and the hard hitters came pouring in, hardly anyone touched their PSOne games. IF it was done then it was just for nostalgia, and in that case the PSOne was just fine to use too.


If I would have been able to play Ps2 games on my Ps3, I would. I've played a load of ps1 games on my ps2 also. I'm fine with people not caring for BC, but seriously why should it be put to bed...? Some people do care, some don't, keep an open mind here. If by any chance the Ps4 has BC i'd be among the early adopters. Otherwise I will probably be waiting a couple of years untill there are enough interesting games for me.


"but seriously why should it be put to bed...?"


Because it's the exact same shit every gen. This and "Oh I'm still happy with my PS3, we don't need a PS4". People are scared they'll lose out somehow.

From a pure business perspective it's idiotic to make a console more expensive to appease a few customers for a limited time.

If there's a seperate model or an add-on with this, then that's a completely different story.

I'm just sick of the "calls for BC" from people who haven't been gaming gen after gen after gen and thus haven't realized that it's a new machine with new software. You still have your old console. GO PLAY IT. JFC.

I agree. BC isn't a huge deal to me, just makes the transition a bit easier.



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Dr.Grass on 10 June 2013
theprof00 said:

I agree. BC isn't a huge deal to me, just makes the transition a bit easier.


Exactly. It's a short-term appeasement of fans that would've gotten your console anyway with the long-term result being a lower initial installed base (due to higher prices) or greater loss on hardware sold (due to higher costs) or a combination of both.

And all of these difficulties due to the incredibly outspoken fans who demand this feature.



weaveworld on 10 June 2013
Dr.Grass said:
theprof00 said:
 

I agree. BC isn't a huge deal to me, just makes the transition a bit easier.


Exactly. It's a short-term appeasement of fans that would've gotten your console anyway with the long-term result being a lower initial installed base (due to higher prices) or greater loss on hardware sold (due to higher costs) or a combination of both.

And all of these difficulties due to the incredibly outspoken fans who demand this feature.

You are honestly this concerned about the ten people that are 'demanding' bc that you want them to shut up?

You yourself gave a perfect explanation of why this (very probably) will never happen. But burying the idea...?



davygee on 10 June 2013

Is this the E3 prediction thread?



Prediction (June 12th 2017)

Permanent pricedrop for both PS4 Slim and PS4 Pro in October.

PS4 Slim $249 (October 2017)

PS4 Pro $349 (October 2017)

Dr.Grass on 10 June 2013
weaveworld said:
Dr.Grass said:
theprof00 said:
 

I agree. BC isn't a huge deal to me, just makes the transition a bit easier.


Exactly. It's a short-term appeasement of fans that would've gotten your console anyway with the long-term result being a lower initial installed base (due to higher prices) or greater loss on hardware sold (due to higher costs) or a combination of both.

And all of these difficulties due to the incredibly outspoken fans who demand this feature.

You are honestly this concerned about the ten people that are 'demanding' bc that you want them to shut up?

You yourself gave a perfect explanation of why this (very probably) will never happen. But burying the idea...?

 

Erm huh.

I'm not really 'concerned' about anything game related. Sony could go bankrupt and DRM can be shoved up all our asses and my life would still be pretty much the same.

Am I making my point too poignantly, or what's the point of your post? If I made the point less clearly ("You yourself gave a perfect explanation of why this (very probably) will never happen") would you have not made this post?

What are you saying?

I'm saying something simple: Stop this crying out for BC every single damn gen. It'll be there when it's convenient, OR in add-on form. It's not a big deal even though you think it is now.

I don't get "But burying the idea...?" either.



joemanuel222 on 10 June 2013

dying light is not exclusive to ps4