Lack of choice. People who release games on a PC can choose to have DRM or not, whereas on XB1 every game has it. And people don't exactly love DRM on PC either, remember SimCity?

Sometimes DRM is accepted because it adds value, for example Steam. It came out having a digital locker for your games that worked across many PCs, which was innovative for the time. And Gaikai and Onlive had streaming, instant gaming without downloads across many devices.

People might have accepted it on the XB1 if Microsoft added any kind of value, but they haven't managed to show any. So far, the only information they have given is negative.

I kinda agree with you on this point. That's why I like companies like Nippon Ichi. No over-imperialism, no blockbusters, trying to please their fanbase, expanding bit by bit and never dev games that can make you bankrupt if it goes wrong

So you are saying if MS can manage to show that it can have a steam-like effect, then allz good?

I'm not saying it's a PR stunt, nope. I'm saying that ultimately the end result is that gamers will buy into them, and has little bearing on the ultimate decision. I don't think it's an organized effort no.

I'm saying they could save it if they have done something innovative. Something like Steam wouldn't be enough these days, as the digital stores on the consoles cover those features. Plus look at Origin on PC. Everyone hates that, even though it is pretty much like Steam, because it is old news and only made for DRM.

I would be fine with MS doing this online/used games thing, but only if there is some amazing feature that means it is necessary. Otherwise we have a better console without it.

I've been thinking that the DRM Sony will likely fall back on is something related to Gaikai. People with PSN were making accounts sharing games and just paying a slice of the fees. Sony will probably want to make sure they get the full cut for everything Gaikai related. Perhaps 1 PSN ID/1 PS4 or something.

Also on the point that PC users are being extremely hypocritical about this entire DRM thing. They are, in most cases they bitch about DRM on anything/everything. Also considering PC usually lacks the biggest titles consoles get... not sure how they're "winners" in any instance. That's coming from a PC user.

There are two things that make DRM acceptable in my eyes.

1) Cheaper pricing.
2) More convenient.

Steam did both, Steam sales makes even the poorest of sobs capable of having a large games library and it's more convenient because for the first time in PC gaming, Steam automagically patches every single game in the client and has all the games in one easy location and provides a stable feature-rich environment that millions of gamers use.

However, that's in stark contrast to what the PC gaming used to be like, often you would have your games shortcuts scattered all over your PC, never patched and you paid a premium.

This is in stark contrast to the Xbox One, where it has gone from being more convenient to being more of a hassle and arguably more expensive, that's why it's worth kicking up a fuss.
It's not just a PC gamer mentality.