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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=567973

There's already a Bound Round Thread, but given how connected Geoff Keighley is in the industry I thought his Sony DRM for rental games comments deserved it's own thread. At 17:50 duringtoday's Bonus Round he notes his sources are indicating Sony will implement some sort of used game DRM. Given Sony's rather ambiguous comments on the subject, I think we should brace for the worst.

Update 1:

A confirmed GAF source gives some hope:

Originally Posted by famousmortimer
I actually did caution that it was coming about a week ago. Because as of a week ago it was.


I just heard on friday that it wasn't. I didn't want to come right out and post about it because leak-y individuals like myself are getting a bit too much attention and I don't care about myself but Im not really looking to get my friends into trouble. But i've confirmed it with a second person so I got dumb and posted it.



Chubigans can vouch for me though on having been correct on other sony leaks in the past.


And chubigans should probably PM me again telling me to be quiet.


Update 2: 

Originally Posted by famousmortimer
It absolutely does. Whenever i've been told about shitty things possibly happening both of the people I know at sony, who are hardcore gamers just like us, both say "make a big stink about this to yoshida (@yosp) on twitter. 

I mean these guys are human, you can't keep hearing negative things and think that it's a good idea. Like I said before, I don't know anyone inside MS but basic human nature tells me that they are not happy about the reaction and will change their positions accordingly. 



This week was a PR nightmare for MS. There's no two ways about it. That doesn't mean they already lost next gen. It doesn't mean that third parties are jumping ship. It's nothing crazy like fanboy delusions. But a bad PR week for any company makes that company sit down and ask themselves "How can we turn this around?" If MS or Sony think that pissing off a lot of people will cost them more money than whatever unpopular thing they want to implement would make... they will 86 that shit. It's all about dollars.

Sony also is in a tactically advantageous position right now where they aren't talking about it and they won't talk about it until they have to. And this is only amplified by the fact that they go second at E3. 


I do want to warn that these decisions do flipflop (as evidenced by what i posted earlier this week vs now). I'm not 100% on this. The people I know aren't 100% on this. Some suit can come in and fuck the entire thing up. So I wouldn't go running around screaming "HAHA SONY ISN'T DOING IT!" I just wanted people to know that as of now Sony has flipped their position in response to the shitstorm microsoft got hit with.

So don't let the "just be quiet until E3" people sway you. If you don't like something, say something. Twitter is amazing for being able to talk to people in these corporations. YOSP will even respond if it's about something he can talk about (he is currently not responding to ANY questions about Used game... but you can bet your ass he is reading them).

Be respectful and tell them how you feel. I would assume this is true of MS also. And it actually works. They want our money and if they start to get scared that they won't they WILL change things.


Update 3:

Originally Posted by famousmortimer
Here's the entire list of sony folks I know of that either are in on the decisions or have the ears of people who are in on the decisions that are on twitter.


My biggest piece of advice is be respectful. They aren't likely to finish a tweet in all caps threatening them. 

Shuhei Yoshida (president of worldwide studios) @yosp (easily the highest level person on twitter and quite accessible)

John Koller (head of hardware marketing) @jpkoller (dude has like 150 followers - heh)

Guy Longworth (senior vice president PlayStation Brand Marketing) @luckylongworth

Scott Rohde (PlayStation Software Product Development Head for Sony Worldwide Studios America) @rohdescott



Also couldn't hurt to let the ex-journos that work there like @nsuttner and @shanewatch


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Guys don't deceive yourselves, Sony stated they will let thirds choose if they want it or not on their games, it's up to them, as thirds want to make money with used games sales, they want a DRM system on Ps4 as well as on XOne.



HAHA SONY ISN'T DOING IT!



Sony please don't implement this DRM bullshit.



No troll is too much for me to handle. I rehabilitate trolls, I train people. I am the Troll Whisperer.

First of all I don't buy this as Sony really doesn't have much choice here. If 3rd parties and publishers want DRM(and they do) they will get DRM...If Sony doesn't provide it, they will get spanked.

Secondly, this "DRM" is just software and not something that is set in stone, meaning it can be adjusted at any time. Both Sony and Microsoft are going to try things in the next 6 months and find the best possible solution for gamers and publishers alike.

Lastly, this whole thing is getting blown out of proportion. When its all said and done, people will most likely be able to trade in and sell their hard copies of the game. The moment the game is installed on another machine, it will get disabled on the original account. Hence why a 24 hour internet check-in makes sense.



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So Sony's version that lets devs choose is now being put on hold and maybe being reworked?

Good Shit



disolitude said:
First of all I don't buy this as Sony really doesn't have much choice here. If 3rd parties and publishers want DRM(and they do) they will get DRM...If Sony doesn't provide it, they will get spanked.

Secondly, this "DRM" is just software and not something that is set in stone, meaning it can be adjusted at any time. Both Sony and Microsoft are going to try things in the next 6 months and find the best possible solution for gamers and publishers alike.

Lastly, this whole thing is getting blown out of proportion. When its all said and done, people will most likely be able to trade in and sell their hard copies of the game. The moment the game is installed on another machine, it will get disabled on the original account. Hence why a 24 hour internet check-in makes sense.


In all seriousness you're right. If Sony wants to keep 3rd party support they probably have to do this. Only hope right now I think is if MS drops all of this.



I can't believe it but, it's looking like I might have to go with just one console this gen...the Wii-U. I am drawing a line, and going down with the ship. The minute this becomes generation WIDE? I will live on retro gaming forever and quit.



It doesn't matter. If Microsoft is going to go full force with this for publishers it will happen on Sony's console to. However people will gloss over the fact that Sony is hiding behind the "it's up to the publisher's" schtick even though Sony has to build the system to make it work and give the OK to have it on their system.





disolitude said:
First of all I don't buy this as Sony really doesn't have much choice here. If 3rd parties and publishers want DRM(and they do) they will get DRM...If Sony doesn't provide it, they will get spanked.

Secondly, this "DRM" is just software and not something that is set in stone, meaning it can be adjusted at any time. Both Sony and Microsoft are going to try things in the next 6 months and find the best possible solution for gamers and publishers alike.

Lastly, this whole thing is getting blown out of proportion. When its all said and done, people will most likely be able to trade in and sell their hard copies of the game. The moment the game is installed on another machine, it will get disabled on the original account. Hence why a 24 hour internet check-in makes sense.


if third parties and publishers also want to sell games (and they do) they will learn to love not letting this DRM go to market.

always online doesn't make sense in today's market.