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ithis on 23 May 2013

With the overhead from the game OS running in a virtual machine on Xbone vs the lack of this with the thin OS of the PS4, if anything the difference will widen. That's what I think will happen anyway. But we'll see.



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SlayerOfPrey on 23 May 2013
walsufnir said:
drkohler said:

This "cloud thing - "let's use the world to calculate where to the bullets fly in my game" is just marketing talk. I'm sure people with bandwidth caps / slow internet speeds / high ping rates will be very happy to hear that their games will be 10 fps in the future/shut down within a few hours/whatnot.


That's what I am always saying since Sony said they will use Gaikai for "bc". And most probably you will even have to pay for it.


Yes sony bought gaikai for $380 Mil just for bc.  Keep telling yourself that.



thismeintiel on 23 May 2013

So to take advantage of this, you'll have to be ALWAYS ONLINE. There's those two words again. It's going to be a huge negative for MS if they start coming out with "Online Required" single player games, just so they can match the visual prowess of the PS4. I doubt they will, as those games probably wouldn't sell too well. Then again, I thought they would have changed their minds about requiring the internet, at all.



 

walsufnir on 23 May 2013
SlayerOfPrey said:
walsufnir said:
drkohler said:

This "cloud thing - "let's use the world to calculate where to the bullets fly in my game" is just marketing talk. I'm sure people with bandwidth caps / slow internet speeds / high ping rates will be very happy to hear that their games will be 10 fps in the future/shut down within a few hours/whatnot.


That's what I am always saying since Sony said they will use Gaikai for "bc". And most probably you will even have to pay for it.


Yes sony bought gaikai for $380 Mil just for bc.  Keep telling yourself that.

I don't and I know more features they'll use for gaikai but this doesn't improve the experience you'll have with it if your internet-connection is crap.



walsufnir on 23 May 2013
ithis said:
With the overhead from the game OS running in a virtual machine on Xbone vs the lack of this with the thin OS of the PS4, if anything the difference will widen. That's what I think will happen anyway. But we'll see.


Which virtual-machine exactly? Where are the tech-documents for this?



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20happyballs on 23 May 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Tom3k said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

The PS4 uses cloud tech as well. Hes definitely talking about the entertainment features and the importance of being online, not what really matters.LOL

Sony spent 380 mil $ on Gaikai, MS spent 400 mil $ on fantasy football.


LOL Sony bought themselves an extra to their infrastructure, and MS just bought off Europe if they even want a Xbox One.

Not that kind of football. They made a deal with the NFL, American football. 





S.T.A.G.E. on 23 May 2013
20happyballs said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Tom3k said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

The PS4 uses cloud tech as well. Hes definitely talking about the entertainment features and the importance of being online, not what really matters.LOL

Sony spent 380 mil $ on Gaikai, MS spent 400 mil $ on fantasy football.


LOL Sony bought themselves an extra to their infrastructure, and MS just bought off Europe if they even want a Xbox One.

Not that kind of football. They made a deal with the NFL, American football. 


LOL...The list just goes on and on. 



S.T.A.G.E. on 23 May 2013
walsufnir said:
ithis said:
With the overhead from the game OS running in a virtual machine on Xbone vs the lack of this with the thin OS of the PS4, if anything the difference will widen. That's what I think will happen anyway. But we'll see.


Which virtual-machine exactly? Where are the tech-documents for this?


The Xbox One apparently will be running 3 OS types which will cause 3GB of the 8 to be in use, which means at the end of the gen they better hope ram usage is is low. On Windows in the current gen the most ram I've seen for a game on Windows is 2-3 GB for the Witcher 2 and I dont even want to know about Crysis. Next gen its going to expand for sure to show people to major power difference between next gen and the current gen.



SlayerOfPrey on 23 May 2013
walsufnir said:
SlayerOfPrey said:
walsufnir said:
drkohler said:

This "cloud thing - "let's use the world to calculate where to the bullets fly in my game" is just marketing talk. I'm sure people with bandwidth caps / slow internet speeds / high ping rates will be very happy to hear that their games will be 10 fps in the future/shut down within a few hours/whatnot.


That's what I am always saying since Sony said they will use Gaikai for "bc". And most probably you will even have to pay for it.


Yes sony bought gaikai for $380 Mil just for bc.  Keep telling yourself that.

I don't and I know more features they'll use for gaikai but this doesn't improve the experience you'll have with it if your internet-connection is crap.



Lol that goes for every cloudbase service. 



walsufnir on 23 May 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
walsufnir said:
ithis said:
With the overhead from the game OS running in a virtual machine on Xbone vs the lack of this with the thin OS of the PS4, if anything the difference will widen. That's what I think will happen anyway. But we'll see.


Which virtual-machine exactly? Where are the tech-documents for this?


The Xbox One apparently will be running 3 OS types which will cause 3GB of the 8 to be in use, which means at the end of the gen they better hope ram usage is is low. On Windows in the current gen the most ram I've seen for a game on Windows is 2-3 GB for the Witcher 2 and I dont even want to know about Crysis. Next gen its going to expand for sure to show people to major power difference between next gen and the current gen.


"The Xbox One apparently will be running 3 OS types which will cause 3GB of the 8 to be in use, which means at the end of the gen they better hope ram usage is is low."

There is no "hope", this is hard facts. By now it seems they use 3gb of ram. Done.

"On Windows in the current gen the most ram I've seen for a game on Windows is 2-3 GB for the Witcher 2 and I dont even want to know about Crysis."

Putting aside what you know, there are by now 5 gigs of ram available for games which is, like you said, more than twice of what's currently needed. But of course this is only half of the truth as you didn't say anything about video-memory.

"Next gen its going to expand for sure to show people to major power difference between next gen and the current gen."

Of course.

 

Now, what did you want to say again, especially when replying to me in the context of a virtual machine?