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the2real4mafol on 23 May 2013

I remember when Xbox was the console for indie games, those days are clearly over. What a shame. But that Nintendo manager comments makes it even better. It's like microsoft are giving the competition a hand

But as small as indies are, ignoring them is just really stupid. Where would iOS be if it weren't for indie game developers? probably, no where



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slowmo on 23 May 2013

If you don't like it "devs" then release your games else where (where they'll sell less).



MDMAlliance on 23 May 2013
pokymon90 said:
MDMAlliance said:
pokymon90 said:
The funny thing is, Xbox One is going to be #2 next generation! Wii U must be one piece of crap in your guy's eyes.


Who is even saying that?  Really, no one can say where the consoles will place yet.  A lot can happen.  Wii U could be #1, it could also flop.  Same thing with PS4 and XBox One.  Games are the real driving force for a console and really we don't know fully what kind of support each system will get later in their life cycle.


Are you serious?  You may think so, but Xbox One is still going to win the US market thus putting them at #2.  Japanese and Europeans will buy the PS4 and raise it to #1.  Wii U, even with all these good games releasing, will not be able to recover.  Sorry.  My name is Pokymon90, I love Nintendo, but this is fact.


It is not fact.  There is absolutely no real basis for your claims.  You're claiming them because you think you understand the market.  The market is not a simple blob of people buying on a whim + core gamers who always buy.  There are a large variety of factors, and one very large factor are the games.  Another one is marketing.  Simply being Wii U or simply being XBox One or PS4 does not have much bearing at all on overall sales.  What do you think happened with the Wii?  It was #1 but most people thought it would flop at the time.  The Gamecube was expected to do well, but it flopped.  The PSP flopped in comparison to the DS, which if you do some research, lots of people expected the DS to be a flop.  

You're basing what you said on opinion.  What I'm saying can't really be disproven because I'm not actually making a claim, it's simply an observation that shows that we don't know what hasn't happened yet, and it isn't so simple to say who will come out on top.  



Mr Puggsly on 23 May 2013
KHlover said:

Ahem, what exactly is your problem? I only stated that Notch is an important developer. Talk about overreacting...

That's cool, I have the utmost respect for his thoughts.

But did anyone hear from the guy that made Baby Maker Extreme? Really curious about what he thinks.



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pokymon90 on 23 May 2013
MDMAlliance said:
pokymon90 said:
MDMAlliance said:


Who is even saying that?  Really, no one can say where the consoles will place yet.  A lot can happen.  Wii U could be #1, it could also flop.  Same thing with PS4 and XBox One.  Games are the real driving force for a console and really we don't know fully what kind of support each system will get later in their life cycle.


Are you serious?  You may think so, but Xbox One is still going to win the US market thus putting them at #2.  Japanese and Europeans will buy the PS4 and raise it to #1.  Wii U, even with all these good games releasing, will not be able to recover.  Sorry.  My name is Pokymon90, I love Nintendo, but this is fact.


It is not fact.  There is absolutely no real basis for your claims.  You're claiming them because you think you understand the market.  The market is not a simple blob of people buying on a whim + core gamers who always buy.  There are a large variety of factors, and one very large factor are the games.  Another one is marketing.  Simply being Wii U or simply being XBox One or PS4 does not have much bearing at all on overall sales.  What do you think happened with the Wii?  It was #1 but most people thought it would flop at the time.  The Gamecube was expected to do well, but it flopped.  The PSP flopped in comparison to the DS, which if you do some research, lots of people expected the DS to be a flop.  

You're basing what you said on opinion.  What I'm saying can't really be disproven because I'm not actually making a claim, it's simply an observation that shows that we don't know what hasn't happened yet, and it isn't so simple to say who will come out on top.  

Sure, I will agree with you, and I hope Wii U becomes #1 over PS4 and XboxOne, but in my opinion (like you said) it will not happen.



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KHlover on 23 May 2013
Mr Puggsly said:
KHlover said:

Ahem, what exactly is your problem? I only stated that Notch is an important developer. Talk about overreacting...

That's cool, I have the utmost respect for his thoughts.

But did anyone hear from the guy that made Baby Maker Extreme? Really curious about what he thinks.

Ok, the last post just sounded a bit rude

Btw, I agree with you that the other devs are not really important (especially Phil Fish or whatever the Fez guy is named), Notch however is.



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MDMAlliance on 23 May 2013
pokymon90 said:
MDMAlliance said:

It is not fact.  There is absolutely no real basis for your claims.  You're claiming them because you think you understand the market.  The market is not a simple blob of people buying on a whim + core gamers who always buy.  There are a large variety of factors, and one very large factor are the games.  Another one is marketing.  Simply being Wii U or simply being XBox One or PS4 does not have much bearing at all on overall sales.  What do you think happened with the Wii?  It was #1 but most people thought it would flop at the time.  The Gamecube was expected to do well, but it flopped.  The PSP flopped in comparison to the DS, which if you do some research, lots of people expected the DS to be a flop.  

You're basing what you said on opinion.  What I'm saying can't really be disproven because I'm not actually making a claim, it's simply an observation that shows that we don't know what hasn't happened yet, and it isn't so simple to say who will come out on top.

Sure, I will agree with you, and I hope Wii U becomes #1 over PS4 and XboxOne, but in my opinion (like you said) it will not happen.

I don't think it's fair to rule out the Wii U completely when the other consoles haven't even released yet and the Wii U hasn't even gotten its games yet.  If we judged the 3DS before it got its games, it would have looked like the Vita would have outsold it.

Personally, if things end up the way the Internet makes it seem like, I think PS4 will be #1, Wii U #2, and XBox One #3.  A large reason for putting Microsoft on bottom is because they will pretty much not have any of the market in Japan.



Mr Puggsly on 23 May 2013
KHlover said:
Mr Puggsly said:
KHlover said:

Ahem, what exactly is your problem? I only stated that Notch is an important developer. Talk about overreacting...

That's cool, I have the utmost respect for his thoughts.

But did anyone hear from the guy that made Baby Maker Extreme? Really curious about what he thinks.

Ok, the last post just sounded a bit rude

Btw, I agree with you that the other devs are not really important (especially Phil Fish or whatever the Fez guy is named), Notch however is.

Still begs the question why did Minecraft go with MS and not Sony or Nintendo?

A company that cares so little about indie developers seems to keep pulling them in.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 23 May 2013
EricFabian said:
coolguy said:
Wow ms is really pissing every body off.sony should jump on this help indie games


Nintendo already do that


 Sony is definitely going to pull ahead in indy games this gen. Nintendo is trying.