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Booyah on 21 May 2013
VGKing said:
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osed125 said:

I'm still not sure. What happens if 3rd parties demand the same thing from Sony? Is Sony going to lose 3rd party support? No, financially it wouldn't make sense to launch your high budget game on one console alone. However, this may result in a lot less support. If on the other hand Sony falls for their demands, then no, Sony won't be the savior here, they will be in the exact same position as MS.

Will Nintendo be the savior? No because 3rd parties won't even support the system, thus making the people that won't get the PS4 and the XO not even consider the Wii U, because they are not interested in Nintendo 1st party games. They would most likely quit gaming or go to the PC.

If Sony does implement the same thing MS is doing, then we are looking at another video game crash, or at least a console video game crash.

What Sony needs to do is tell EA that they won't allow this on their system. If EA decides not to put their games on the PS4 then so be it. Good luck to EA at surviving on a single platform. The platform holder have the power here, not the publishers.

If Sony decides to cave and let publishers do it on their system as well, we as gamers need to react by NOT BUYING THESE GAMES. 


What if Sony does it as well for 1st party games?

Then don't buy Sony 1st party games. Buy  a Wii U if you have to. 

There is no indication Sony would do this. They do huge business in developing countries and requiring internet access to activate even single player games is ridiculous and anti-consumer. No, Sony isn't a saint, but they are also smart. There is more money to be made in NOT blocking used games.


Like the patent they filed for tech to block used games and the vagueness in which they have addressed the used game question. I can't say for sure if they will or not, but saying there is no indication is incorrect.

You know they've had patents like that pre-PS3 right? Never materialized.  A patent isn't proof of anything. If you only knew all the ridiculous patents that get filed.

Proof and indicators are 2 different things. I don't have any proof that they are going to implement this, but honestly Sony has always been willing to bend over backwards for 3rd parties, so I could see this as a possibility.

It also seems weird that they would be so vague and dodgy about the used game question. I mean if they weren't planning something with used games, why wouldn't they just come out and say it? 



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VGKing on 21 May 2013
Booyah said:
VGKing said:
Booyah said:
VGKing said:
Booyah said:
VGKing said:
osed125 said:

I'm still not sure. What happens if 3rd parties demand the same thing from Sony? Is Sony going to lose 3rd party support? No, financially it wouldn't make sense to launch your high budget game on one console alone. However, this may result in a lot less support. If on the other hand Sony falls for their demands, then no, Sony won't be the savior here, they will be in the exact same position as MS.

Will Nintendo be the savior? No because 3rd parties won't even support the system, thus making the people that won't get the PS4 and the XO not even consider the Wii U, because they are not interested in Nintendo 1st party games. They would most likely quit gaming or go to the PC.

If Sony does implement the same thing MS is doing, then we are looking at another video game crash, or at least a console video game crash.

What Sony needs to do is tell EA that they won't allow this on their system. If EA decides not to put their games on the PS4 then so be it. Good luck to EA at surviving on a single platform. The platform holder have the power here, not the publishers.

If Sony decides to cave and let publishers do it on their system as well, we as gamers need to react by NOT BUYING THESE GAMES. 


What if Sony does it as well for 1st party games?

Then don't buy Sony 1st party games. Buy  a Wii U if you have to. 

There is no indication Sony would do this. They do huge business in developing countries and requiring internet access to activate even single player games is ridiculous and anti-consumer. No, Sony isn't a saint, but they are also smart. There is more money to be made in NOT blocking used games.


Like the patent they filed for tech to block used games and the vagueness in which they have addressed the used game question. I can't say for sure if they will or not, but saying there is no indication is incorrect.

You know they've had patents like that pre-PS3 right? Never materialized.  A patent isn't proof of anything. If you only knew all the ridiculous patents that get filed.

Proof and indicators are 2 different things. I don't have any proof that they are going to implement this, but honestly Sony has always been willing to bend over backwards for 3rd parties, so I could see this as a possibility.

It also seems weird that they would be so vague and dodgy about the used game question. I mean if they weren't planning something with used games, why wouldn't they just come out and say it? 

No, you don't have any proof. You don't even have any rumors to cite.

I personally hope neither goes through with it. Don't you?



S.T.A.G.E. on 21 May 2013
Booyah said:
VGKing said:
osed125 said:

I'm still not sure. What happens if 3rd parties demand the same thing from Sony? Is Sony going to lose 3rd party support? No, financially it wouldn't make sense to launch your high budget game on one console alone. However, this may result in a lot less support. If on the other hand Sony falls for their demands, then no, Sony won't be the savior here, they will be in the exact same position as MS.

Will Nintendo be the savior? No because 3rd parties won't even support the system, thus making the people that won't get the PS4 and the XO not even consider the Wii U, because they are not interested in Nintendo 1st party games. They would most likely quit gaming or go to the PC.

If Sony does implement the same thing MS is doing, then we are looking at another video game crash, or at least a console video game crash.

What Sony needs to do is tell EA that they won't allow this on their system. If EA decides not to put their games on the PS4 then so be it. Good luck to EA at surviving on a single platform. The platform holder have the power here, not the publishers.

If Sony decides to cave and let publishers do it on their system as well, we as gamers need to react by NOT BUYING THESE GAMES. 


What if Sony does it as well for 1st party games?

Unlike Microsoft Sony actually gives a shit about their fans. Microsoft has always sided with the corporations and I've warned everyone about this for a while. Be ever watchful of the quality of their relationships with activision and getting chummy with EA is never good. Sony is chummy with EA, but the most it ever did for them was use online passes. Sony has since implemented online passes and left it at that. Thats the extent I believe it will stay with their relationship with EA. Unlike Microsoft, Sony said they will stick with gamers and developers on the issue when it comes to used games. The only way to to do that is to keep the online pass and not to implement the game recognition on PSN with the manditory installs.



regin2005 on 21 May 2013
Booyah said:
VGKing said:
Booyah said:
VGKing said:
Booyah said:
VGKing said:
osed125 said:

I'm still not sure. What happens if 3rd parties demand the same thing from Sony? Is Sony going to lose 3rd party support? No, financially it wouldn't make sense to launch your high budget game on one console alone. However, this may result in a lot less support. If on the other hand Sony falls for their demands, then no, Sony won't be the savior here, they will be in the exact same position as MS.

Will Nintendo be the savior? No because 3rd parties won't even support the system, thus making the people that won't get the PS4 and the XO not even consider the Wii U, because they are not interested in Nintendo 1st party games. They would most likely quit gaming or go to the PC.

If Sony does implement the same thing MS is doing, then we are looking at another video game crash, or at least a console video game crash.

What Sony needs to do is tell EA that they won't allow this on their system. If EA decides not to put their games on the PS4 then so be it. Good luck to EA at surviving on a single platform. The platform holder have the power here, not the publishers.

If Sony decides to cave and let publishers do it on their system as well, we as gamers need to react by NOT BUYING THESE GAMES. 


What if Sony does it as well for 1st party games?

Then don't buy Sony 1st party games. Buy  a Wii U if you have to. 

There is no indication Sony would do this. They do huge business in developing countries and requiring internet access to activate even single player games is ridiculous and anti-consumer. No, Sony isn't a saint, but they are also smart. There is more money to be made in NOT blocking used games.


Like the patent they filed for tech to block used games and the vagueness in which they have addressed the used game question. I can't say for sure if they will or not, but saying there is no indication is incorrect.

You know they've had patents like that pre-PS3 right? Never materialized.  A patent isn't proof of anything. If you only knew all the ridiculous patents that get filed.

Proof and indicators are 2 different things. I don't have any proof that they are going to implement this, but honestly Sony has always been willing to bend over backwards for 3rd parties, so I could see this as a possibility.

It also seems weird that they would be so vague and dodgy about the used game question. I mean if they weren't planning something with used games, why wouldn't they just come out and say it? 


Like VGKing said, IF Sony does implement this as well, then DON'T support it.  It's not right.  All Sony has to do is confirm that they AREN'T doing this and that should be a huge pro for Sony on which console people may decide to buy between the PS4 and XBOne.



Generation 8 Predictions so far.....(as of 9/2013)

Console that will sell most: Nintendo Wii U

Who will sell more consoles between Microsoft/SONY: SONY

 

Booyah on 21 May 2013
VGKing said:
Booyah said:
VGKing said:
Booyah said:
VGKing said:
Booyah said:
VGKing said:
osed125 said:

 

 

 

 

 

You know they've had patents like that pre-PS3 right? Never materialized.  A patent isn't proof of anything. If you only knew all the ridiculous patents that get filed.

Proof and indicators are 2 different things. I don't have any proof that they are going to implement this, but honestly Sony has always been willing to bend over backwards for 3rd parties, so I could see this as a possibility.

It also seems weird that they would be so vague and dodgy about the used game question. I mean if they weren't planning something with used games, why wouldn't they just come out and say it? 

No, you don't have any proof. You don't even have any rumors to cite.

I personally hope neither goes through with it. Don't you?

Eurogamer asked Shuhei Yoshida, head of Sony’s worldwide game development studios, if used games would function on PS4. At this, Eurogamer reports that he has to turn to the public relations specialist sitting in on the interview and ask what the official answer was. Following a brief consultation, he said, “Used games can play on PS4.”

They can? That’s a little different than “they will always, without an extra fee.” Nonetheless, many outlets reported this as closing the case for good. But then Game Informer wrote to Sony for a follow-up, and an unnamed spokesperson said this: “We are just now announcing the basic vision and strategy of PS4 and will have more information to share regarding used games later this year. But PlayStation has a long history of keeping its gamers happy and we won’t make decisions that damage our relationship with them.”

 

I don't want them to, where did I say that I did?

That doesn't mean that they aren't  going to do it anyway.

Also this interview is what I was addressing, why be so vague and dodgy? I mean before the issue was blocking used games, but now the issue is charging a fee to play a used game, so now the questions about the interview seems a little more relevant t now. Like I said, I don't know if they will or not, but the fact that Sony has used the online pass method for their games means that they are ok with countermeasures againt used games, combine with the interview and you could see how people could be suspicious that Sony could implement the same thing.



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regin2005 on 21 May 2013

Until then...however we all are simply waiting for Sony's confirmation, regardless of what they do.



Generation 8 Predictions so far.....(as of 9/2013)

Console that will sell most: Nintendo Wii U

Who will sell more consoles between Microsoft/SONY: SONY

 

Booyah on 21 May 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Booyah said:
VGKing said:
osed125 said:

I'm still not sure. What happens if 3rd parties demand the same thing from Sony? Is Sony going to lose 3rd party support? No, financially it wouldn't make sense to launch your high budget game on one console alone. However, this may result in a lot less support. If on the other hand Sony falls for their demands, then no, Sony won't be the savior here, they will be in the exact same position as MS.

Will Nintendo be the savior? No because 3rd parties won't even support the system, thus making the people that won't get the PS4 and the XO not even consider the Wii U, because they are not interested in Nintendo 1st party games. They would most likely quit gaming or go to the PC.

If Sony does implement the same thing MS is doing, then we are looking at another video game crash, or at least a console video game crash.

What Sony needs to do is tell EA that they won't allow this on their system. If EA decides not to put their games on the PS4 then so be it. Good luck to EA at surviving on a single platform. The platform holder have the power here, not the publishers.

If Sony decides to cave and let publishers do it on their system as well, we as gamers need to react by NOT BUYING THESE GAMES. 


What if Sony does it as well for 1st party games?

Unlike Microsoft Sony actually gives a shit about their fans. Microsoft has always sided with the corporations and I've warned everyone about this for a while. Be ever watchful of the quality of their relationships with activision and getting chummy with EA is never good. Sony is chummy with EA, but the most it ever did for them was use online passes. Sony has since implemented online passes and left it at that. Thats the extent I believe it will stay with their relationship with EA. Unlike Microsoft, Sony said they will stick with gamers and developers on the issue when it comes to used games. The only way to to do that is to keep the online pass and not to implement the game recognition on PSN with the manditory installs.

Then why be so dodgy about the used game question? If Sony was not going to implement this at all then why not just come out against it immediately? If they just confirmed no used game fees then we wouldn't even have to be having this discussion. Personally I believe that the fact that Sony was willing to go the online pass route suggests that they are willing to go  the used game fee route as well.



VGKing on 21 May 2013
Booyah said:
VGKing said:
Booyah said:
VGKing said:
Booyah said:
VGKing said:
Booyah said:
VGKing said:
osed125 said:

 

 

 

 

 

You know they've had patents like that pre-PS3 right? Never materialized.  A patent isn't proof of anything. If you only knew all the ridiculous patents that get filed.

Proof and indicators are 2 different things. I don't have any proof that they are going to implement this, but honestly Sony has always been willing to bend over backwards for 3rd parties, so I could see this as a possibility.

It also seems weird that they would be so vague and dodgy about the used game question. I mean if they weren't planning something with used games, why wouldn't they just come out and say it? 

No, you don't have any proof. You don't even have any rumors to cite.

I personally hope neither goes through with it. Don't you?

 

Eurogamer asked Shuhei Yoshida, head of Sony’s worldwide game development studios, if used games would function on PS4. At this, Eurogamer reports that he has to turn to the public relations specialist sitting in on the interview and ask what the official answer was. Following a brief consultation, he said, “Used games can play on PS4.”

They can? That’s a little different than “they will always, without an extra fee.” Nonetheless, many outlets reported this as closing the case for good. But then Game Informer wrote to Sony for a follow-up, and an unnamed spokesperson said this: “We are just now announcing the basic vision and strategy of PS4 and will have more information to share regarding used games later this year. But PlayStation has a long history of keeping its gamers happy and we won’t make decisions that damage our relationship with them.”

 

I don't want them to, where did I say that I did?

That doesn't mean that they aren't  going to do it anyway.

Also this interview is what I was addressing, why be so vague and dodgy? I mean before the issue was blocking used games, but now the issue is charging a fee to play a used game, so now the questions about the interview seems a little more relevant t now. Like I said, I don't know if they will or not, but the fact that Sony has used the online pass method for their games means that they are ok with countermeasures againt used games, combine with the interview and you could see how people could be suspicious that Sony could implement the same thing.

 

I completely get where you're coming from. I now see why you would think Sony would implement this or at least allow publishers to implement it.
But we haven't seen rumors left and right saying that Sony will block used games. This is why I think they won't. With the Xbox we have these rumors every week.



Booyah on 21 May 2013
VGKing said:
Booyah said:
VGKing said:
Booyah said:
VGKing said:
Booyah said:
VGKing said:
Booyah said:
VGKing said:
osed125 said:

 

 

 

 

 

You know they've had patents like that pre-PS3 right? Never materialized.  A patent isn't proof of anything. If you only knew all the ridiculous patents that get filed.

Proof and indicators are 2 different things. I don't have any proof that they are going to implement this, but honestly Sony has always been willing to bend over backwards for 3rd parties, so I could see this as a possibility.

It also seems weird that they would be so vague and dodgy about the used game question. I mean if they weren't planning something with used games, why wouldn't they just come out and say it? 

No, you don't have any proof. You don't even have any rumors to cite.

I personally hope neither goes through with it. Don't you?

 

Eurogamer asked Shuhei Yoshida, head of Sony’s worldwide game development studios, if used games would function on PS4. At this, Eurogamer reports that he has to turn to the public relations specialist sitting in on the interview and ask what the official answer was. Following a brief consultation, he said, “Used games can play on PS4.”

They can? That’s a little different than “they will always, without an extra fee.” Nonetheless, many outlets reported this as closing the case for good. But then Game Informer wrote to Sony for a follow-up, and an unnamed spokesperson said this: “We are just now announcing the basic vision and strategy of PS4 and will have more information to share regarding used games later this year. But PlayStation has a long history of keeping its gamers happy and we won’t make decisions that damage our relationship with them.”

 

I don't want them to, where did I say that I did?

That doesn't mean that they aren't  going to do it anyway.

Also this interview is what I was addressing, why be so vague and dodgy? I mean before the issue was blocking used games, but now the issue is charging a fee to play a used game, so now the questions about the interview seems a little more relevant t now. Like I said, I don't know if they will or not, but the fact that Sony has used the online pass method for their games means that they are ok with countermeasures againt used games, combine with the interview and you could see how people could be suspicious that Sony could implement the same thing.

 

I completely get where you're coming from. I now see why you would think Sony would implement this or at least allow publishers to implement it.
But we haven't seen rumors left and right saying that Sony will block used games. This is why I think they won't. With the Xbox we have these rumors every week.


I hope they don't but with 3rd parties throwing their weight around, I could see Sony caving to appeal to them and not lose them all to the Xboxone. Because I guarantee you that if anyone is happy about this, it's 3rd parties.

 

I just hope Sony comes out soon and confirms that this isn't the case.

 

But if they do follow the route of MS, then this could be an explanation for the 3rd parties giving Nintendo the cold shoulder, and long term I think Nintendo could come out of it smelling like roses.



FATALITY on 21 May 2013

READ THIS AND SHUT YOUR MOUTH

http://analogaddiction.org/2013/05/08/sony-never-thought-of-always-online-for-the-ps4/



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