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25k now
2k in a few years
far under 1k a few years after that

People tend to forget that HD Ready TVs did cost the same in the 90s and today you can buy 2 big FULL HD TVs for 400€

Sony is about introducing standards
Without them we would still be 30 years behind.In 10 years 4k will be a common thing and maybe even 8k already.
Needed?Maybe - We didn't need CD,DVD,HD and stuff either but everyone is using it now.
Most people that say that are just angry those things come from Sony or can't afford them for those huge prices.

You don't need them NOW
Those things aren't for the 0815 customer that is still watching DVDs
Japan is airing normal TV in 4k already after next year - Western world is way behind but in around 10 years we probably have the same standard they will have in 1-3 years.



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Corey said:
4K is pointless

TV, at least where I am is either 576i or 1080i and is a long way from ever reaching 4K let alone 1080p
Gamers would rather better graphics then ridiculous high resolutions especially for the general 23" monitor
There are no physical discs for 4K and blu ray has only just started becoming standard
4K files are way too large and streaming of 4K content won't be feasible for many countries
Unless we are speaking of 50"+ tv's 4K is mostly pointless even if we had 4K content readily available.

I really don't see 4K catching on anytime soon

The exact same arguments as in 2005 when the first 1080p tv's came out.

Full 4K benefit on a 23" monitor is apparent at 1.5ft, not an unreasonable distance for a pc monitor.
Multi 1080p screen pc gaming and oversampling at 4K has been going on for years.
Higher res means less need for anti aliasing, less artifacts while upscaling. 720p content will look better upscaled to 4K then to 1080p.
Did people compain about higher dpi CRT tvs / monitors? More pixels provide a clearer image, regardless of the source.

At least the average Joe won't think he needs to be able to see every individual pixel for it to have benefit to him.
And you would finally be able to see all those 8MP and up pictures you've been taking for years the way they were meant to be seen.



Soundwave said:
Netyaroze said:
Fact is its better and its becoming affordable very fast its definetly worth buying if it gets affordable.

The 55-65 inch Sony 4k TVs are 5000-6000. Thoshiba has 7000 Dollar 4k TVs

Chinese brands offer 4k 50inch for 1500 Dollar already.

In a few years it might be so cheap that that people will be willing to pay a couple of hundred dollars more for 4k TVs if they need a new TV anyway 4k/3D will be standard features for all TVs in 5-10 years.


The only way people will buy it is if its standard, but most people won't give a crap about the 4K feature itself. It's just a bonus throw in.

Talking like years down the road when a 4K set is $1000-$1500.


Thats what I said yes. People will buy a 4k TV if it has a better picture (which it has) but is not much more expensive. Some people will be ready to pay thousands more some hundreds some 50 bucks and some when they have to buy it because there is no alternative.

 

The massmarket does not lead the way for technology its the people who pay more to get more and the masses will adapt it as soon as its cheap enough. Seeing as right now you can buy a 1299 Dollar 4k TV the prices will go down fast  1080p TVs took years to reach that price 4k TVs took months.



SvennoJ said:
Corey said:
4K is pointless

TV, at least where I am is either 576i or 1080i and is a long way from ever reaching 4K let alone 1080p
Gamers would rather better graphics then ridiculous high resolutions especially for the general 23" monitor
There are no physical discs for 4K and blu ray has only just started becoming standard
4K files are way too large and streaming of 4K content won't be feasible for many countries
Unless we are speaking of 50"+ tv's 4K is mostly pointless even if we had 4K content readily available.

I really don't see 4K catching on anytime soon

The exact same arguments as in 2005 when the first 1080p tv's came out.

Full 4K benefit on a 23" monitor is apparent at 1.5ft, not an unreasonable distance for a pc monitor.
Multi 1080p screen pc gaming and oversampling at 4K has been going on for years.
Higher res means less need for anti aliasing, less artifacts while upscaling. 720p content will look better upscaled to 4K then to 1080p.
Did people compain about higher dpi CRT tvs / monitors? More pixels provide a clearer image, regardless of the source.

At least the average Joe won't think he needs to be able to see every individual pixel for it to have benefit to him.
And you would finally be able to see all those 8MP and up pictures you've been taking for years the way they were meant to be seen.

My main argument was the ability to produce 4K content for these screens in the coming years. How is the content going to be delivered to homes without a 4K media disc, console gaming restrictions (what developer is going to waste the hardware power on a 4k res), low resolution tv channels and incapable internet all over the world.

Consumer's aren't going to mass upgrade to a technology where there xbox looks the same, where the football looks the same and where all of their previous content looks the same, the difference with 1080p wasn't just for the resoltuon but the convenience of thin and large flat screen tv's that came with it.

For 4K to be feasable it needs the consumer to see a large benefit from having an upgrade, at this point in time and likely for many years to come it will remain pointless. 1080p console gaming, streaming and TV channels still aren't exactly the standard, yet they are already jumping at the possibilities of 4K.



Corey said:

My main argument was the ability to produce 4K content for these screens in the coming years. How is the content going to be delivered to homes without a 4K media disc, console gaming restrictions (what developer is going to waste the hardware power on a 4k res), low resolution tv channels and incapable internet all over the world.

Consumer's aren't going to mass upgrade to a technology where there xbox looks the same, where the football looks the same and where all of their previous content looks the same, the difference with 1080p wasn't just for the resoltuon but the convenience of thin and large flat screen tv's that came with it.

For 4K to be feasable it needs the consumer to see a large benefit from having an upgrade, at this point in time and likely for many years to come it will remain pointless. 1080p console gaming, streaming and TV channels still aren't exactly the standard, yet they are already jumping at the possibilities of 4K.


It has to start somewhere. It always starts on the Hardware level and Content follows after. Its never been the other way around.

 

But it follows soon after. 4k Bluray will come soon. 4k Games will follow (PC can do it already). But still upscaled 4k content already looks better. 4k is also very important for glassless 3D. It still sucks but you need 4k for it to work at acceptable quality. Cinema 3D halves the resolution too, 4k remedies it too.

 

Obviously it will take time to get enough 4k content for most people to be pleased but this doesn't mean 4k is not worth it to some people. A plane ticket can easily cost as much as a 4k TV. Some people are willing to buy 4k TVs just because its better (upscaling). If people would only buy tech that runs at the limit of its potential technological advancements would happen every few decades instead of years. People are obviously willing to buy things before all other infrastructure catches up.

Upscaled 4k>1080p,

TV is still not 1080p does that mean 1080p is not worth it ?



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I think people are also generally done with discs.

Streaming is taking over or buying/renting movies off their cable box.

With Blu-Ray I re-bought a lot of my favorite movies to have them in HD, but with 4K, I'm not triple dipping for the same movies in moderately better looking format. Enough's enough, and I'm a huge movie buff, but I barely watch all the Blu-Ray movies I have as is and have dramatically stopped buying new movies because I know I can access them on Netflix or my cable service.

And streaming is going to be 720p/1080p for a long, long time IMO, same with cable service.

I don't think there will be a mainstream game console that runs actual 4K games any time before 2020 either. Playstation 5 is a long ways away. So good luck waiting for that unless you are a PC gamer willing to spend $2000+ on a PC rig and then hook that up to your TV.

Generally too I think people are getting sick of TV manufacturers telling them they have to switch to something new every few years too. I just don't think there's a big apetite here for this. If it's something you can slap into a $1000 LCD set almost like a bonus, great, but otherwise I don't think most people really give a rats arse. From what I saw it's just not enough of a "wow" factor the first time you see it.



-Newcloud- said:
Thank god ps4 is 1080p now I don't have to get a new tv for awhile. Believe it or not ps3 was the only reason I got a HDTV.


I know where you're coming from, brother from another mother LOL.



SnakeDrake said:
I love going to sony style. You can invite your friends to sit on their big sofa and watch the movie their showing with their 50-60 inc tv with surround sound.


Glad to see someone else is a fan of 3D sound (surround sound).

Even when I only bring up how awesome 3D (Surround Sound) is, there would still be people saying crap about surround sound (3D sound) even, and how its not needed, but by that logic Color is not needed & audio is not needed because we can read & 3D (stereoscopic) is not needed be ause know one wants an image that looks as solid as things feel according to the haters.



Soundwave said:

I think people are also generally done with discs.

Streaming is taking over or buying/renting movies off their cable box.

With Blu-Ray I re-bought a lot of my favorite movies to have them in HD, but with 4K, I'm not triple dipping for the same movies in moderately better looking format. Enough's enough, and I'm a huge movie buff, but I barely watch all the Blu-Ray movies I have as is and have dramatically stopped buying new movies because I know I can access them on Netflix or my cable service.

And streaming is going to be 720p/1080p for a long, long time IMO, same with cable service.

I don't think there will be a mainstream game console that runs actual 4K games any time before 2020 either. Playstation 5 is a long ways away. So good luck waiting for that unless you are a PC gamer willing to spend $2000+ on a PC rig and then hook that up to your TV.

Generally too I think people are getting sick of TV manufacturers telling them they have to switch to something new every few years too. I just don't think there's a big apetite here for this. If it's something you can slap into a $1000 LCD set almost like a bonus, great, but otherwise I don't think most people really give a rats arse. From what I saw it's just not enough of a "wow" factor the first time you see it.

TV manufacturers offer options for people that can afford it and care. You most certainly don't have to get a 4k TV Set right now. You are not in the market yet and nobody tells you what to do, so no reason to be upset about it. 4k will catch on its always like that before something new comes. Its an option and it will be a standard in the future. 1080p had no wow factor over 720p either so I don't see your point. Its a noticeable improvment thats enough. 



SvennoJ said:
walsufnir said:
SvennoJ said:
walsufnir said:
SvennoJ said:


Anyway better reason not to jump in yet is no HDMI 2.0.
HDMI 1.4a is limited to 2160p24 no 60 fps support. Another HD ready 1080i fiasco waiting to happen.


That's why there will be no PS4-gaming at 4k. Or did they announce PS4 will feature hdmi 2.0?

HDMI 2.0 hasn't been released yet, still targeted for first half of 2013, coming soon. So I'm 90% sure that's too late for the ps4. Yet Sony does have some connections to get the specs early. There are rumors, but no specific HDMI version has been confirmed yet.

However blu-ray 4k playback is pretty much out since it will have a 6x CAV blu-ray drive, too slow to maintain 4K playback bitrates accross the disc. And without support for 100gb or 200gb I don't see it happening anyway. Sony does want to release 4K streaming for the ps4 at 100GB a movie.

The blu-ray consortium is still twiddling it's thumbs about the physical 4K format, not expected until the end this year now. They have just been gathering opinions on what it should support for now. (which 4K format, what frame rates etc)
It will be on blu-ray though, probably on a 4 or 8 layer (100gb or 200gb) disc with h.265 (HEVC) codec. Both incompatible with current players unfortunately.

All the pieces are there, 12x CAV (or 5x CLV, sustained 180mbps throughput) blu-ray drives, 200GB discs, and a twice efficient codec.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/09/nhk-and-mitsubishi-develop-the-first-h-265-encoder-for-8k-video/
CES 2014 might see the first 4K blu-ray player, more likely CES 2015 the way things are continually getting delayed.

A ps4 slim in 2016 might get 4k blu-ray playback.


Oh, I wasn't talking about 4k-bluray but gaming :) 4k-bluray will be possible (at 24 frames) for sure.

Well there are rumors, nothing confirmed either way.
24fps gaming will be possible at 4K and I don't think next-gen hardware is powerful enough for 4K60 anyway.
A slower adventure game like beyond 2 souls might look mighty fine at v-synched 4k 24fps.
GT6 show room and photo mode definitely possible at 4K 24fps.


Hey, there are these HDMI cables that do up to 13 GB a second, that gets advertise in best buy ad papers. What are these for?

And what can HDMI 1.4 do in terms of 2 different 1k images & also at 2 different 2K images. What frame rate per image for each resolution?