you totally forget that nintendo handelds totally go big after a new pokemon. this year is definetley the peak of the 3ds.

Not really any moreso than Sony did at the PS3 launch, or the Vita overall.

The EA situation is more of a pissing match over a poorly programmed distribution tool created to be EA's equivalent of Steam. When Nintendo stops EA from release rights to the 3DS, EA will change their tune fast. They are already skating on thin ice with working beyond their capital means. All it takes is for one more EA flop before they need to start bailing water and killing of some of their studios.

While there's no doubt that the Wii U needs a lot of software support to boost sales, sales overall slump this time of year. The past week's report has the Wii U, which we know is struggling, at 10k units sold, and the PS3 at 34k units sold. It's a slow time overall.

Ultimately, it comes down to one thing - waiting. The PS3 took about 3 years to get up to speed sales wise. I think its only right to see where the Wii U is at that same point in time.

In other words, the Nintendo doom threads should cease until then.

Nintendo has made games that appeal to the west like The Wonderful 101 coming soon, and Dillon's Rollong Western 1 & 2 & Pushmo 1 & 2 & Spirit Camera the Cursed Memoir & Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon & Savvy Style: Fashion Trendsetters & Kid Icarus Uprising & Fire Emblem Awakening & etc.

And then there are games like Bayonetta 2 & Lego City Undercover 1 & 0 & so on and so fort.

Some these and others are mature games. The realistic graphics department is filled up to are necks in it like games that play like real life. It's now a rarity to come across big time games that play like a video game, and more people today are starving for originally in movies & tv & video games (glad Futurama is uncanceled).

And let's not forget such 3rd party exclusives like ZombiU 1 & 2, & Rhythm Thief 2 & etc.

You just need to get caught up in what's been release after 2010 is all.

Most of those games are not catered to the "western" gamers. They have to be mature and realistic.  I don't see a trend away from realism in North America.

I agree on those 2 examples but theres a huge amount of quality titles on PS3, those 2 games arent the best by far.

Actually 3DS is selling better YoY now, 2012 had a strong start because of the $80 price cut, Mario Kart7, and Super Mario 3D Land in late 2011, but now that the effect has worn down a bit, 3DS is doing better week over week. Annual sales should but up, but it's iffy if 3DS will get the 20 million sales DS go in its 2nd full year.

bs, what about SNES?

Plus Wii is still #1 in North America, yes 360 will likely beat Wii, but for now Nintendo still "has" North America, and in a few months it's still contending for it. The OP argues that with Wii U, Nintendo is no longer contesting lead sales.

And why is that?  If nobody cared about HD, then why are the PS2 and Wii not still dominating?  You can't say games, because using your logic, the fact that publishers made HD games means that people love HD.

Ticket sales are still well below their peak 11 years ago in the US, and that is with more movies being released than ever.  Three out of the top 4 movies last year were not released in 3D.  It would seem based on the data that 3D is being used to squeeze more money out of a smaller market.  If people were going crazy about 3D, surely they'd be seeing more movies, not less.

The sales of TV's overall have dropped.  Surely if the public was chomping at the bit for 3D this wouldn't be the case.  All those hundreds of millions with HDTV's they apparently didn't care about ought to be rushing out to buy 3DTV's.  Also 3DTV's are still a small minority of overall TV sales.  Once again, if the public doesn't care about HD and loves 3D, why are they buying more HDTV's?  That's even assuming people are buying 3DTV's for 3D content.  A lot of times if you want a higher end TV it will be 3D whether you want it or not.

Three out of five of those Wii games you mentioned were published by Nintendo.  Also the Gamecube got a Crystal Chronicles game that sold moderately well.  So that leaves Epic Mickey which was released four years into the Wii's life when it had already sold significant amounts of hardware.  Not in anyway equivalent to the PSV situation.  I really don't see your point.  I could name five random Vita games too, but that doesn't mean it is getting good support.

It has been 7 years since Superman Returns.  They rebooted Batman after 8 years, Spider-Man after 5 years, Hulk after 5 years.

I just really don't understand what goes on in your head.
Movie reboot or sequel is announced with 3D.  It never would have happened without 3D!
A game is released for the 3DS with 3D in the title.  Would have been on Vita if not for 3D!
3DTV's might be outpacing HDTV sales, though that data never seems to actually get posted.  People don't care about HD, love 3D!
Some games were released on the Wii. Therefore all games would be on Vita/consoles if not for the 3D in 3DS!
3DS has a Kingdom Hearts and Resident Evil.  3DS is getting all the support, consoles only have FFXIII and RE6! (do you really think these are the only games on PS3/360 for some reason you've brought it up multiple times.)

I could go on, but there's not much point.  There just isn't any logic to your claims.  This isn't even getting into the made up numbers you've posted in the past.

In the US, 3DS averaged 43-56k weekly for April in 2013. In 2012 3DS averaged 21-29k weekly in April. 3DS is literally selling double what it did in 2012 for April.

In the US, 3DS averaged 32-45k weekly for February 2013. In 2012 3DS averaged 55-64k weekly in February. Like I said 3DS had a great start in 2012 because of the price cut and 2 big games, but weekly sales for 3DS are now up consistantly YoY, and will continue to be so for the rest of the year. I expect after Pokemon and Animal Crossing 3DS sales should be significantly stronger in 2013 then in 2012. 3DS is growing in annual sales, this can't be argued.

Why are April Numbers overtracked for 3DS? Just because it's doing well, doesn't mean anything.

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Wii selling tons and tons was also unexpected by most. I see no logical reason to assume Wii U won't follow in Wii's footsteps. Yes Wii U's first 6 months are weaker then Gamecubes, but this is also the first time Nintendo has released a new generation console, so technically it's just 4 million ahead of everything prior LOL, no, but seriously Nintendo has always launched a console with at least 1 killer app. Wii U launched with nothing, what do you expect, but poor initial sales? Wait for Mario Kart 8.

I think Wii U can get 35-45 million in the US. Wii got about 40 million, but the market is growing, so even if Wii U has a smaller market share, it should still do better then 35 million at worst case IMO.

I just have faith that Wii U sales will turn around with more software. Like you said PS3 did it, and I think Wii U can do it too.

To cut to the quick, you are using VGC numbers which are wrong.  I am using NPD numbers.  The 3DS is not growing in the US for 2013 so far.  This can't be argued.

What evidence do you have that the market is growing?  Certainly not Wii U sales.  There is just no rationale for saying that the Wii U will be one of if not the best selling Nintendo console in NA when it is trailing their worst selling console after half a year.  Also the Wii U won't hit 4 million for a rather long time.

NSMBU is nothing?  It was one of the best selling games on the Wii.  Were you saying that before launch?  Did you actually read what I said about the PS3?  Its worst month was more than double the Wii U's and it won't come close to your prediction for Wii U lifetime sales.

Yes.

Now I love Nintendo but within the last few years, they have loss sight of how to properly market their hardware and in some cases their software. Grant the Nintendo directs are pretty good but to the mass market that doesn't already follow Nintendo news online or on their consoles this doesn't really help them much.

It isn't just that they are not appealing to the traditional Western gamer, it is that they are not moving in a way that inspires loyalty or diversity among the audiences and potential developers. Falling back on traditional cash generators is fine but not to the degree that Nintendo took with the Western markets in the final years of the Wii.

They also do appear to have become a joke among the Western developers mainly due the fullfilling prophecy that they can't compete with Mario or Zelda and the fact that Nintendo hasn't been making their consoles with the latest chipsets that those working for the larger companies are expecting.