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Kaizar said:

That doesn't explain Nintendo's 3D system doing so good in NA.

It seems that America belongs to Mcrosoft & Nintendo, while Euroasia belongs to Sony & Nintendo and Japan just belongs to Nintendo, while Australia just seems to belong to Nintendo.

But I'm looking at the present.

Nintendo's 3D system isn't doing so good in NA.  Even Iwata has stated it is underperforming in the west.  From 2007-2011 the DS in April did 3.5-10x more than the 3DS did this April.

Where are you getting Australian sales?  Because in 2011 the PS3 outperformed the Nintendo platforms by a significant margin.  It was also the top selling console in 2012.



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zorg1000 said:
Kaizar said:
spurgeonryan said:
Kaizar said:
RolStoppable said:

Concern troll is the more appropriate term.

 

There are 68 3D movies this year VS. 45 3D movies last year.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=154457

How could you say that Nintendo is out of touch for doing stereoscopic 3D.

3D TVs always sell more then HD TVs during same point of life spam.

 

How could you say anything bad about 2011 when the only thing they did was stereoscopic 3D which gave them such exclusives as Resident Evil Mercenaries & Resident Evil Revelations & 3rd Resident Evil 3DS & Kingdom Hearts 3D & Dragonball 3DS & Batman 3DS & Persona 3DS & Ninja Gaiden 3DS & Zone of the Enders 3DS & so on & so fort.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_3DS_games

 

You saw E3 2010 & 2011 for 3DS.

And you saw E3 2011 & 2012 for PS Vita.

How could you say Nintendo has lost a lot of goodwill on behalf of consumers since 2011.

 

And just how do you think the PS4 & 720 is going to do after their first month in each major country?

If you think the sales of the PS4 & 720 is going to be any better, then you might be disappointed.

 

The ability to play the entire Home Console games on the controller will make it sale first amongst consumers who don't live by themselves.

But if you want to wait til E3 2K13 to compare the 3 Home Consoles to each other, then go ahead. And see who has the better library shown for their own Home Consoles during E3 2013. In fact I advise you to watch E3 2013 for all 3 Home Consoles and compare them, but until then you can't really pass judgement like the other 2 are going to do any better sI their Home Consoles. If all the PS4 & 720 can do is just more better graphics then it's them who have lost touch with consumers.

@ Rol

 

Nice term!

 

At Kaizar

I assure you, People are not as excited about 3D as you are. While I do enjoy it from time to time on the 3DS and even in the theaters, I am never going to the theaters trying to see it in 3D. It usually only happens because that is what is playing at the time. Or the last showing. I hate to not do what I set out to do, so we see it. Usually I pay for the 2D price and just use left over glasses in my glove box or dig in the recycle box.

It is a nice feature, but should not be the big selling point. Just like the Rumble pack was only a small selling point for the N64 for a while.


But the majority of Americans do love 3D. And almost eveyone in foreign countries love 3D.

Just because 10% to 20% of Americans make their voices heard the loudest, doesn't mean they are the majority. They are just louder then 80% to 90% of Americans are.

Sales of 3D TVs vs. sales of HD TVs during same point in life spam speak for themselves.

Sales of 3D 3DS vs. sales of people thinking the PS Vita does HD speaks for itself.

Sales of 3D movies during the same year as 2D movies speak for themselves, since the ratio is against them, but still get such great sales despite the alarming ratio against 3D movies during the same year amongst 2D Movies.

To see things as solid as they feel means more to the majority of consumers in the world then 10% of people in society realize.

HD had never meant anything to consumers. But 3D has meant a lot, as the market shows us each and every time with TVs & Movies & video game systems. 

Sales speak for themselves, and no one has ever cared about HD, at least not to more then up to 10% of consumers.

Star Trek Into Darkness is my example of 3D movies, if you want to know what people see in 3D.

Less & less movies are made in 2D and more & more movies are release in 3D. The 3DS gets all the 3rd Party support and also all the 1st Party support. The only thing HD has got is Resident Evil 6 & Final Fantasy 13, I would rather play such new games as Kingdom Hearts 3D & Resident Evil Revelations.

There are so many things wrong with ur post. Where r u getting the 80-90% from? Alot of people dont like 3D for a few reasons 1. It gives them headaches, dizziness, nausea, blurred vision 2. They cant justify the extra price of movie tickets 3. Majority of movies/games dont do anything meaninful for 3D to actually add to the experience.

Also do u have any proof 3D TVs sell at a faster pace than HDTVs?

Ur claim about 3DS vs Vita is rediculous, 3DS sells alot better because its game library and price, not because people like 3D over HD


color TV gave people headaches, dizziness, nausea, blurred vision, and that was because those people spent too many years watching black k white TVs, the same thing is happening with 3D Amoung people who have spent too many years watching 2D TVs. And only a small percentage of people Amoung 100% of people actually experice those problems, it's mostly in the senior citizen territory, and to a lesser extent a smaller percentage of middle-age people compare to senior citizens.

And later this year the 3D movie prices will drop and the 2D movie prices will go up, and the price will be the same for both versions of the movie.

And it's the 3D that makes movies & video games look as solid as they feel, and the 3D makes the screen look bigger and the image look much more crisper looking then HD could ever do. But HD seems like it did nothing for video games & movies to actually add anything to the experience.

You say it's the games that sale the 3DS, but the 3DS only gotten most of those games because of 3D, otherwise it would have gone to the PS Vita or Home Consoles or never get thought up in the first place, or in the case of Kid Icarus: Uprising, it would have never been rebooted in the first place.



Yakuzaice said:
Kaizar said:

That doesn't explain Nintendo's 3D system doing so good in NA.

It seems that America belongs to Mcrosoft & Nintendo, while Euroasia belongs to Sony & Nintendo and Japan just belongs to Nintendo, while Australia just seems to belong to Nintendo.

But I'm looking at the present.

Nintendo's 3D system isn't doing so good in NA.  Even Iwata has stated it is underperforming in the west.  From 2007-2011 the DS in April did 3.5-10x more than the 3DS did this April.

Where are you getting Australian sales?  Because in 2011 the PS3 outperformed the Nintendo platforms by a significant margin.  It was also the top selling console in 2012.

2008 to 2011 doesn't count. And April is not a marketing month. I can see 2004 to 2006 or even 2005 to 2007 count for DS.

And I said Sony & Nintendo, but I guess your browser didn't fully load the page or something.



Kaizar said:
zorg1000 said:


color TV gave people headaches, dizziness, nausea, blurred vision, and that was because those people spent too many years watching black k white TVs, the same thing is happening with 3D Amoung people who have spent too many years watching 2D TVs. And only a small percentage of people Amoung 100% of people actually experice those problems, it's mostly in the senior citizen territory, and to a lesser extent a smaller percentage of middle-age people compare to senior citizens.

And later this year the 3D movie prices will drop and the 2D movie prices will go up, and the price will be the same for both versions of the movie.

And it's the 3D that makes movies & video games look as solid as they feel, and the 3D makes the screen look bigger and the image look much more crisper looking then HD could ever do. But HD seems like it did nothing for video games & movies to actually add anything to the experience.

You say it's the games that sale the 3DS, but the 3DS only gotten most of those games because of 3D, otherwise it would have gone to the PS Vita or Home Consoles or never get thought up in the first place, or in the case of Kid Icarus: Uprising, it would have never been rebooted in the first place.

@bolded thats absolutely false. You really think developers are making 3DS games solely because it has 3D when no game outside of 3D Land actually needs it?

Also you didnt answer me about ur 80-90% claim and didnt give any proof about 3D TV adoption rates being higher than HDTV.



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Kaizar said:
Yakuzaice said:
Kaizar said:

That doesn't explain Nintendo's 3D system doing so good in NA.

It seems that America belongs to Mcrosoft & Nintendo, while Euroasia belongs to Sony & Nintendo and Japan just belongs to Nintendo, while Australia just seems to belong to Nintendo.

But I'm looking at the present.

Nintendo's 3D system isn't doing so good in NA.  Even Iwata has stated it is underperforming in the west.  From 2007-2011 the DS in April did 3.5-10x more than the 3DS did this April.

Where are you getting Australian sales?  Because in 2011 the PS3 outperformed the Nintendo platforms by a significant margin.  It was also the top selling console in 2012.

2008 to 2001 doesn't count. And April is not a marketing month.

And I said Sony & Nintendo, but I guess your browser didn't fully load the page or something.

why dont those years count? and u said Australia belongs to Nintendo, not Sony and Nintendo, go back and read ur post.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

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Soundwave said:
Otakumegane said:
North America sure is trained to love shooters nowadays. It wasn't this bad during the 5th-6th gen.

While the NA market is obviously the most important for consoles, I think that it's also looking to be the fastest shrinking one.

It has the most "alternatives" to gaming with new ones emerging.


Even though Nintendo loves to roll out the "we do the opposite of MS/Sony" line one has to wonder if it's a smart strategy to employ *all the time*.

The irony is the modern FPS shooter craze on consoles really started on a Nintendo console, as the N64 was really the first "shooter box" with GoldenEye and Perfect Dark and Turok and others.

I think they probably should've kept a presence in this market segment.

Nintendo gets itself in trouble precisely WHEN they try to be like Sony and MS (see N64, Gamecube). When they go opposite of them like they did with the Wii and DS, (and like NES was its own thing back in the day), that's when achieve massive success.

Maybe not so much with the shooters, but Wii U is Nintendo trying to be "hardcore," or at least having a hardcore console with the Wii wallpaper over it, but as always, it's not working, the same as always when Nintendo attempts to fight in the red ocean.

Nintendo can get America back if they want to, and I think they even know what they have to do in order to do it, they just refuse to do it. There is simply no way they are this naive. So I can't feel to bad for them. They are chosing this route. What they have to do is return to the Wii philosophy of going back to gaming's root of pure, simple gameplay, along with genre bending games that brought in new gamers.



Metallicube said:
Soundwave said:
Otakumegane said:
North America sure is trained to love shooters nowadays. It wasn't this bad during the 5th-6th gen.

While the NA market is obviously the most important for consoles, I think that it's also looking to be the fastest shrinking one.

It has the most "alternatives" to gaming with new ones emerging.


Even though Nintendo loves to roll out the "we do the opposite of MS/Sony" line one has to wonder if it's a smart strategy to employ *all the time*.

The irony is the modern FPS shooter craze on consoles really started on a Nintendo console, as the N64 was really the first "shooter box" with GoldenEye and Perfect Dark and Turok and others.

I think they probably should've kept a presence in this market segment.

Nintendo gets itself in trouble precisely WHEN they try to be like Sony and MS (see N64, Gamecube). When they go opposite of them like they did with the Wii and DS, (and like NES was its own thing back in the day), that's when achieve massive success.

Maybe not so much with the shooters, but Wii U is Nintendo trying to be "hardcore," or at least having a hardcore console with the Wii wallpaper over it, but as always, it's not working, the same as always when Nintendo attempts to fight in the red ocean.

Nintendo can get America back if they want to, and I think they even know what they have to do in order to do it, they just refuse to do it. There is simply no way they are this naive. So I can't feel to bad for them. They are chosing this route. What they have to do is return to the Wii philosophy of going back to gaming's root of pure, simple gameplay, along with genre bending games that brought in new gamers.

i agree with most of this except how did N64 try to be like Sony?



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Kaizar said:

2008 to 2001 doesn't count. And April is not a marketing month.

And I said Sony & Nintendo, but I guess your browser didn't fully load the page or something.

Why exactly do they not count?  What is the barometer for "doing so good"?  Selling almost as much as one of the 360's worst months ever?  I seem to recall you didn't mind comparisons to previous systems when you would make up numbers about how the 3DS outsold every system after 24 months or whatever.

You said Nintendo, and then I guess you edited the post after I quoted you. 

Kaizar said:

You say it's the games that sale the 3DS, but the 3DS only gotten most of those games because of 3D, otherwise it would have gone to the PS Vita or Home Consoles or never get thought up in the first place, or in the case of Kid Icarus: Uprising, it would have never been rebooted in the first place.

Kaizar said:

HD had never meant anything to consumers. But 3D has meant a lot, as the market shows us each and every time with TVs & Movies & video game systems.

Sales speak for themselves, and no one has ever cared about HD, at least not to more then up to 10% of consumers.

Star Trek Into Darkness is my example of 3D movies, if you want to know what people see in 3D.

Less & less movies are made in 2D and more & more movies are release in 3D. The 3DS gets all the 3rd Party support and also all the 1st Party support. The only thing HD has got is Resident Evil 6 & Final Fantasy 13, I would rather play such new games as Kingdom Hearts 3D & Resident Evil Revelations.

What world are you living in?  You think Nintendo's handheld would have no games if it wasn't 3D?  Besides the fact that it is first party software that is driving sales, why would third parties have made their 3DS games for Vita or consoles if there hadn't been 3D?

What metric shows that 3D means more to consumers than HD?

Sales speak for themselves?  What sales?  Because I'm pretty sure way more than 10% of consumers have purchased HDTV's.  HD consoles sold quite a bit as well, and 3DS sales don't suggest that people love 3D while not caring about HD.

The only third party games HD systems have gotten are RE6 and FF13 while 3DS is getting all the support?  I have to ask again, what planet are you on?  Also both of your "new games" came out around a year ago, and they are both from established franchises.



Handhelds are dying in general I think :(



Yakuzaice said:
Kaizar said:

2008 to 2001 doesn't count. And April is not a marketing month.

And I said Sony & Nintendo, but I guess your browser didn't fully load the page or something.

Why exactly do they not count?  What is the barometer for "doing so good"?  Selling almost as much as one of the 360's worst months ever?  I seem to recall you didn't mind comparisons to previous systems when you would make up numbers about how the 3DS outsold every system after 24 months or whatever.

You said Nintendo, and then I guess you edited the post after I quoted you. 

Kaizar said:

You say it's the games that sale the 3DS, but the 3DS only gotten most of those games because of 3D, otherwise it would have gone to the PS Vita or Home Consoles or never get thought up in the first place, or in the case of Kid Icarus: Uprising, it would have never been rebooted in the first place.

Kaizar said:

HD had never meant anything to consumers. But 3D has meant a lot, as the market shows us each and every time with TVs & Movies & video game systems.

Sales speak for themselves, and no one has ever cared about HD, at least not to more then up to 10% of consumers.

Star Trek Into Darkness is my example of 3D movies, if you want to know what people see in 3D.

Less & less movies are made in 2D and more & more movies are release in 3D. The 3DS gets all the 3rd Party support and also all the 1st Party support. The only thing HD has got is Resident Evil 6 & Final Fantasy 13, I would rather play such new games as Kingdom Hearts 3D & Resident Evil Revelations.

What world are you living in?  You think Nintendo's handheld would have no games if it wasn't 3D?  Besides the fact that it is first party software that is driving sales, why would third parties have made their 3DS games for Vita or consoles if there hadn't been 3D?

What metric shows that 3D means more to consumers than HD?

Sales speak for themselves?  What sales?  Because I'm pretty sure way more than 10% of consumers have purchased HDTV's.  HD consoles sold quite a bit as well, and 3DS sales don't suggest that people love 3D while not caring about HD.

The only third party games HD systems have gotten are RE6 and FF13 while 3DS is getting all the support?  I have to ask again, what planet are you on?  Also both of your "new games" came out around a year ago, and they are both from established franchises.


Im starting to give up on this guy, he never presents proof for his claims and thinks that his opinions are 100% fact. I think 3D is starting to scramble his brain



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.