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ktay95 said:

I dislike what is being implied here.

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ktay95 said:

That's a nice picture.



Fails of Bombstiria isnt gonna do well for a Tales Of game is it? The hype for it isnt very big (compared to Xillia)

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forethought14 said:
Fails of Bombstiria isnt gonna do well for a Tales Of game is it? The hype for it isnt very big (compared to Xillia)

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Tales of biggest issue is its on PS3 when the market is split between PS3 and PS4. It needs both to sell like a Tales game should.



ktay95 said:

Tales of biggest issue is its on PS3 when the market is split between PS3 and PS4. It needs both to sell like a Tales game should.


Is it?  What about the games that are available on PS4 so far suggests that the audience has moved over?

If anything, I'd say the audience PS4 has at the moment is mainly comprised of western game fans and older gamers (more likely to buy something like Yakuza).  There's nothing else on there to tempt Tales fans across.

I have no doubt that the game will come to PS4 eventually and sell more that way, but right now I wouldn't say the userbase is split.  I'd say it's still on PS3, but they're probably just getting a little tired of yearly Tales. 

We've seen a sharp drop in Atelier sales as well, also a yearly JRPG on PS3.



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Kresnik said:
ktay95 said:

Tales of biggest issue is its on PS3 when the market is split between PS3 and PS4. It needs both to sell like a Tales game should.


Is it?  What about the games that are available on PS4 so far suggests that the audience has moved over?

If anything, I'd say the audience PS4 has at the moment is mainly comprised of western game fans and older gamers (more likely to buy something like Yakuza).  There's nothing else on there to tempt Tales fans across.

I have no doubt that the game will come to PS4 eventually and sell more that way, but right now I wouldn't say the userbase is split.  I'd say it's still on PS3, but they're probably just getting a little tired of yearly Tales. 

We've seen a sharp drop in Atelier sales as well, also a yearly JRPG on PS3.

Timeline of release years
1995 – Tales of Phantasia
1996 –
1997 – Tales of Destiny
1998 –
1999 –
2000 – Tales of Eternia
2001 –
2002 – Tales of Destiny 2
2003 – Tales of Symphonia
2004 – Tales of Rebirth
2005 – Tales of Legendia
Tales of the Abyss
2006 –
2007 – Tales of Innocence
2008 – Tales of Vesperia
Tales of Hearts
2009 – Tales of Graces
2010 –
2011 – Tales of Xillia
2012 – Tales of Xillia 2
2013 –
2014 –
2015 – Tales of Zestiria

Not exactly what I would call yearly... unless your counting the remakes which saw at best saw like 25% of the sales that the main PS3 games did and those 25% are the more likely ones to buy Zestiria. And saying that there is nothing on PS4 to tempt Tales fans over is making the claim that they only play 1 genre, rather close minded I would say. If you compare the top games that are on both PS4 and PS3 in Japan you would see quite a few people are moving over, people that are potentially Tales fans. Whos to say somebody who plays MGS and Yakuza doesnt play Tales, those are just 3 big franchises there. Its like saying those who play CoD cant also play Madden and Minecraft.



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ktay95 said:

Not exactly what I would call yearly... unless your counting the remakes which saw at best saw like 25% of the sales that the main PS3 games did and those 25% are the more likely ones to buy Zestiria. And saying that there is nothing on PS4 to tempt Tales fans over is making the claim that they only play 1 genre, rather close minded I would say. If you compare the top games that are on both PS4 and PS3 in Japan you would see quite a few people are moving over, people that are potentially Tales fans. Whos to say somebody who plays MGS and Yakuza doesnt play Tales, those are just 3 big franchises there. Its like saying those who play CoD cant also play Madden and Minecraft.


Vesperia PS3 - 

Japan: 0.43m 100.0%

Graces PS3 -

+ Japan: 0.43m 46.7%

I wouldn't call those sales 25% of the main PS3 games :P

 

Okay, what would you say the links between games currently on PS4 and Tales are?  Anime design?  There's two anime-designed games on PS4 at the moment.  Turn based JRPG?  Just the one.  Historically traditional Japanese IP?  There's Metal Gear demo (also on PS3); Final Fantasy Online (also on PS3) and Dynasty Warriors 8 (also on PS3).

Perhaps that is closed-minded, but I don't see the link.  The rebuttal of "but how do you know that people who play x y z aren't also fans of Tales?" may hold some weight sure, because gamers are a diverse bunch, but the actual evidence we've got it that they haven't moved across yet.  Akiba's Trip showed that anime-inspired late ports aren't going to sell anything on PS4.  Omega Quintet showed anime-inspired turn-based JRPG fans aren't on PS4 yet.

It just seems like excuses to mask a natural decline that the PS3 has experienced in the past couple of years (and those gamers may have gone to PS4... or more likely they went to smartphones, 3DS etc.) alongside over-saturation of this IP in recent years.  It grew and grew in the middle of PS3's life when it was establishing itself as the new home of Tales (Vesperia & Graces) before finally getting an original title when the explosion happened (Xillia).  And now all that is over.  



Kresnik said:

 Omega Quintet showed anime-inspired turn-based JRPG fans aren't on PS4 yet.


Thank you for using the PS3 ports only instead of say the Vita remakes or the PS3 remake collection, it totally shows how unbiased you are being.

Oh and I had to leave this in for the lols, comparing NIS to Bamco. Not only that but you just showed that roughly 20+% of the NIS fans (who now apparently represent all of the anime-inspired turn-based JRPG fans) have moved to PS4 =P