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hiska-kun on 03 September 2014
Vena said:
hiska-kun said:

I was refering to Vena's comment about the niche thing, not to you.

Anyway for me the fanbase is loyal, selling usually the same. It's more difficult to grown by the end of the generation than the beginning. Also the drop is insignificant compared to other franchises. Just check One Piece Warriors 2 drop, or Kamen Rider... They have big declines, while Dark Souls keeps selling almost the same.


I don't know, maybe I am a bit off, but I do see the Souls series as being very much a niche. Its got a dedicated core following, very particular gameplay and appeal, and, generally, carries a stigma with the general audience.

The fanbase was loyal, is what I think the issue is... A lot of the fanbase got burned by DkS2 not being anywhere near as good as DkS1 or DeS, the blatantly false advertising, the almost criminally bad coding on the PC release for certain things (like FPS being tied to everything... holy shit)... even the bigger names of the series on YouTube, some of which I follow (as I consider myself a big fan of the series) have come to be jaded and more reserved after the shenanigans or simply lazy game design that was DkS2.

For this reason, I see the drop off from DkS1 to DkS2, even with the very strong hype surrounding the very strong game that was DkS1, as a bad sign.

A game that sells +300k can't be called niche. Niche is sub 100k.

have you seen my numbers? Dark Souls sold 361k copies in Japan, and Dark Souls II has sold 343k and the number is not final, since the game is recent, so probably still moving. Can you say the fanbase got burned because a 18k drop?? I don't think so.

The game was released at the end of the generation, when all games start selling less and less. That a surprising number for me.



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Vena on 03 September 2014
hiska-kun said:

A game that sells +300k can't be called niche. Niche is sub 100k.

have you seen my numbers? Dark Souls sold 361k copies in Japan, and Dark Souls II has sold 343k and the number is not final, since the game is recent, so probably still moving. Can you say the fanbase got burned because a 18k drop?? I don't think so.

The game was released at the end of the generation, when all games start selling less and less. That a surprising number for me.


I guess we have different definitions of what is niche. Niche to me means a game with a very specific fanbase, big or small. A cult hit that sells tons of copies is still a cult hit.

The fanbase got burned largely playing the game. Not before, though worldwide the problems with it hurt sales more I would say (particularly that whole advertising thing...).

How do you get burned on playing a game before playing it? The problems with DkS2, outside of the deceitful advertising that hit the West, were all in the gameplay. That's where the burned gamers come from, thats where my point of view comes from. I bought and played the game, I was hyped when I bought it on release, and then I was bummed when I finished it because it was just lacking in design, spirit, and really any sort of cohesion. DkS2 is/was literally a bunch of long corridors, elavators into volacanoes, and boring, repetitive boss design. I want to say that more than half of the bosses were humaoids with a three hit combos... identical three hit combos.

For a game about bosses and world building, those are two gunshot wounds to the chest. The broken systems for PvP/Sunbroing didn't help it either and, in the long run, has really hurt the population of the game. DkS1 lingered for a long, long time because of the PvP but they outright gutted it with DkS2. Heck, at this point, there's better/more PvP to be found in Ooalacile in DkS1 than anywhere in DkS2.



bouboumorveu on 03 September 2014

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small44 on 03 September 2014

I predict no x1 game will sell more then 10k



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

ktay95 on 03 September 2014
small44 said:
I predict no x1 game will sell more then 10k

O_O

Pretty sure TF is bundled so thats garenteed. Other than that though I can see both F5 and DR3 hitting 10k+ week 1



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small44 on 03 September 2014
ktay95 said:
small44 said:
I predict no x1 game will sell more then 10k

O_O

Pretty sure TF is bundled so thats garenteed. Other than that though I can see both F5 and DR3 hitting 10k+ week 1


I didn't know TF is bundled so i think it's the only game over 10k i predict 38k first week for X1 and i'm optimistic so i fon't see other games doing more then 10k



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

outlawauron on 03 September 2014
small44 said:

I didn't know TF is bundled so i think it's the only game over 10k i predict 38k first week for X1 and i'm optimistic so i fon't see other games doing more then 10k

DR3 and Forza 5 should both do 10k.



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small44 on 03 September 2014
outlawauron said:
small44 said:

I didn't know TF is bundled so i think it's the only game over 10k i predict 38k first week for X1 and i'm optimistic so i fon't see other games doing more then 10k

DR3 and Forza 5 should both do 10k.

It's possible



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

Michael-5 on 03 September 2014
Boutros said:

Haha

Wow, I stop checking for a month and when I come back 3DS has the top 5? Destiny a Western FPS is 6th?......What's going on!?

P.S. That new 3DS would have sold so much better had it released BEFORE Smash, but.....at least it releases BEFORE Monster Hunter. Going to be a crazy fall for 3DS in Japan.



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Vena on 03 September 2014

How is Smash WiiU even tracking when pre-orders aren't even open?