I know, I know. I'm not discussing the factor that AAA games (I don't think you're using that term correctly, though) are the real deal when talking about consoles. I've gone out of the road, because I got mixed in several conversations; I was just saying that the 360, despite everything, has its exclusives and its hidden gems. Of course mediocre games are not on the same level; I was just replying the fact that you tend to ignore these. I do agree that these kind of games are more like a love/hate thing among system owners, and don't actually move hardware numbers.

By the way, my line of quality is draw whereas I have fun with the game or not. That's why I can endure some bad games - such as Vampire Rain -, because ultimately I had more fun than frustration. I can understand that game appealing to no one, though xD But heck, I'm a very strange gamer anyway. I do enjoy these AAA titles, I love my Lost Odyssey as much as my Gears of War, but of course.

And you suck! How come you don't like Vampire Rain? You're way too elitist =P

Mmmm... okay, you got me xDDDD  I cheated a bit. I remember the list being much higher, though. But I was checking some of these and realising that some of them aren't exclusives anymore. I needed to top my +50 that I said talking to Tachikoma, so obviously, cheating a bit wouldn't hurt anyone. =P

Anyway, I think I made my point!

Vampire Rain was just bad.... I think it was one of the first 360 games I ever beat, and it was just bad....terrible controls, boring plot, and completly bland.

You made your point that you're a cheater?

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I think I am using the term AAA incorrectly because AAA refers to a games budget, where I'm talking about quality, and reception, but regardless I do agree with you, 360 has its gems. I ignore mediocre games because, I literally have every system by the Big 3 and Sega (Except the Saturn, which I plan to get, and the Virtual Boy, which for some reason I have all the good games for....). So while playing mediocre games like Nier and Vampire Rain weren't a waste of time, I'd still rather not have played them. I could have spent that time playing a good game, that's why I ignore them.

Plus, mediocre games don't sell systems. I played Vampire Rain and N3 because the system was young and had very few good games. I didn't buy the 360 to play these games, and I wasn't hyped about them beforehand, nor am I grateful for them afterwards.

I was also really annoyed at Nier because people kept saying that the alternate endings are awesome......No, the only good plot in that game is about Emil, the endings were 30s, completely predictable clips, which required a repeat of half the game to get. I didn't like that at all, in Drakengard, alternated endings follow alternate story branches, and break off from different parts of the game. So you don't just get a unique ending cinematic, you get a unique 4 hour run of the game, similar to an epilogue.

Keep in mind, I don't play mediocre games, but I do love and play Niche games. Pandora's Tower is only going to sell 200-300k worldwide, and heck one of my favorite DS games only sold 10,000 units in North America (Front Mission DS).

You're a pretty strange gamer too. You tend to like games no one else like; don't get me started with the "niche" thing =P But hey, we've derailed the thread way too much. You understand what I'm saying, and I understand what are you saying.

But anyway, having played Vampire Rain and Nier makes you a more veteran gamer. Whether that's good, or bad xD

just for fun prepare a list of ps2 and ps3 japan-only console exclusives and be amazed.

padding out the list with a bunch of xbox games and timed exclusives doesnt make your point, and you should probably not try to tell a japanese national who still lives in japan,and works in the industry, what games are and arent available here, just a thought :p

I've never tried to contradict you, nor try to look as if I know better than you. Your previous comment made me realize that, at least, you had huge knowledge in japanese gaming (So might as well be well-versed in japanese). That wasn't the point and I'm sorry if I sounded like that =P What I tried to say is that there are "tons" of exclusive 360 games Japan-only; not as much as Ps3 and of course, 360 share a very insignificant market regarding japanese games if you face it against Ps3 and Wii. I merely pointed it out. Buying a 360 to acquire some japanese gems is a valid point for my part, as those gems do exists. I didn't like your comparison about the sound of cars xD

By the way, didn't know you work in the industry. Are you a designer? Work in a well-known company?

And as I told Michael previously, I cheated with some games, and others I didn't realize they were no longer exclusives. I've apologised myself twice already =P

I am .

I like what I like, don't need hype or reviews to tell me what to play. That's another reason why 360 annoys me, so much advertizing, and MS shifted all their focus to Kinect recently, ignoring JRPG's, leaving me in the dust. That's another reason why I recently hoped the fence to the Sony side, they are more consistant, there have been FPS's, JRPG's, and Action Adventure exclusives spread out all over the systems life, and the same is true for the PS1/PS2. Plus after so many 3rd party games went multiplatform this gen, Sony legitimatly tried to fill the void. I might not like a lot of their exclusives (e.g. LittleBigPlanet), and I prefer Gears of War, Halo, and Forza over Uncharted, InFamous, and GT, but I've just been so angry with MS lately that ALL they offer are Gears/Halo/Forza. As much as I like playing the games, I don't want them to be the only games that I play.

Anyway, we do agree that Microsoft is relevant, and new IP's, or any kinda of exclusive is relavent. All I'm saying is that you shouldn't get hyped for a MS published new IP because their history has shown us that many of their new IP's are meh at best. Still enjoyable, but not reason enought to be excited for the 720 specifically.

Anyway I'll get a 720 one day, but at the end of the consoles life, to pick up the gems, specifically they out of the park random, how the f*** is that MS exclusive gems like Lost Odyssey, Tales of Vesperia, Shenmue 2, and Panzer Dragoon Orta. Maybe 720 will get a Sega JRPG exclusive? Who knows.

microsoft is going to fall flat on their face, just watch

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seriously

Not very good at predicting.