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Lawlight on 30 April 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
Zero999 said:
Lawlight said:
Zero999 said:
Lawlight said:
Zero999 said:
Lawlight said:
BlkPaladin said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:

The PS3 may even reach 100 million console systems and continue the tradition of PS1/PS2 all sell over 100 million console systems. PS3 may eventually sell more systems than the Wii and win this console sales generation. PS3 is closing down the sales gap on the Wii down to 24 million and is now roughly equal to the XBox 360 in total sales. 

 


It will not. It would take another 4-to-5 year of the PS3 selling at current levels for it to hit 100 million, so unless the PS4 doesn't sell all that well and people opt to keep buying the PS3 instead I doubt the PS3 will make 95 million. Because once the PS3 came on the market it took that long for the PS2 to sell 10 million units.

At current levels, the PS3 is selling 13M per year despite having no price drop in years. So, at current levels, it will take 2 years to hit 100M.

And get your facts right. The PS2 sold about 50M after the PS3 hit the market including 13.7M in 2007.

At current levels the ps3 is sub 10M a year and this number will get smaller as wii u becomes more popular and the ps4/nextbox release. ps2 sold the equivalent of 36% the install base after the ps3 released. I don't think the much less popular ps3 will get close to that. 100 million is the top it could get.

 

No, it's not sub 10M. The PS3 + PS2 sold 15.6M last year, afterall so I question where you got your numbers from. And you're also forgetting that the PS3 is priced higher than what the Wii cost at launch. But it's funny seeing Nintendo fanboys denying what is happening - that the PS3 is moving on to be the winner of this gen.

by the way, what's the relevance of that? especially when the ps3's best year in sales doesn't even compare to wii's medium year (2010).


Of what relevance price is? Is that a serious question. And that hasn't stopped the PS3 from currently being only 23 or so million behind the LTD Wii numbers. At the rate at which the PS3 is going 2 years at most and the PS3 will top the Wii. And again, imagine that damage that a $149 PS3 or even a  $199 PS3 will do to the Wii's slim lead.

even if wii stopped selling tomorrow the chances are ps3 won't top it in it's lifetime. i predict 8M ps3 sales in 2013 (january to december), then 6M, 4M and 2M the following years. it's a range from 90 to 95 million lifetime sales.



You think Ps3 will only sell 6.6mil more in another 9 months(using 360 shipments that Ps3 would easily match) or 5.81m more according to VGC? Wowzers... That would mean less than 3.5mil in Christmas.... That's insanely unlikely.

 

Dude, sorry to break this to you but your posts make no sense whatsoever. There is not one ounce of logic in them.



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ironmanDX on 30 April 2013
Mmmfishtacos said:

This as got to be the wort perdiction in this whole thread. 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrHfdkY2V1M



Tachikoma on 30 April 2013
Dr.JimmyRustles said:
@Tachikoma

Hate to tell you this but, the strongest console never won a generation.


Hate to tell you this but you forgot to put your tin foil hat on this morning, Also the SNES had more power and resources than the Megadrive, despite Sega's marketing spin the Motorola 68000 processor lacked game specific functions present in Nintendo's custom 5A22, despite the M68000 running at twice the speed of the 5A22 the porcessors maximum MIPS was 0.7 apposed to the 5A22's 1.5 MIPS, the overclocked M68000 used in the NeoGeo of the same console generation ran at a maximum 1.25 MIPS, too.

I really wish people would actually do some research before spouting the 'strongest console never won a generation' because it just shows how ill informed they are and makes them sound like absolute nutcases.



Lawlight on 30 April 2013
Dr.JimmyRustles said:
@Max

It doesn't matter if the PS3 gets to 100mil 7th generation is over with the Wii winning and the PS3 in last.


Oh, it will matter.



allenmaher on 30 April 2013

Which console will finish first, I don't know. Frankly i think that depends on a number of factors, price point, marketing, software lineup and least importantly relative power of the machine. This gen will also see at least one new entrant of significance with the steambox. Splintering things further. The pace of advancement in the low powered mobile devices is considerable, look at the prototype nvidia SoC slated for mid gen. Very impressive.

http://regmedia.co.uk/2013/03/19/tegra_roadmap.jpg

One thing I think is certain is that the overall market will shrink considerably. A bare minimum of a 40% drop is likely overall due to competition from other games markets like tablets and smart phones.

http://www.asymco.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Screen-Shot-2012-01-15-at-1-15-8.45.58-PM.png

This gen is also in the middle of an economic malaise following the "great recession" with governments lining up
for austerity measures that will ensure a very slow return to healthy growth. Expensive consumer products like consoles that cost three to six hundred dollars will appeal to a smaller market than last gen. The core gamer market is suffering most of all (see this economist article bellow):

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21576663-number-young-people-out-work-globally-nearly-big-population-united

Given all of that I think that the looser in the console next gen will be the console that is the most expensive, has the most expensive games, and focuses on the core gamer market. We will see in 4-5 years.



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zorg1000 on 30 April 2013
Tachikoma said:
Dr.JimmyRustles said:
@Tachikoma

Hate to tell you this but, the strongest console never won a generation.


Hate to tell you this but you forgot to put your tin foil hat on this morning, Also the SNES had more power and resources than the Megadrive, despite Sega's marketing spin the Motorola 68000 processor lacked game specific functions present in Nintendo's custom 5A22, despite the M68000 running at twice the speed of the 5A22 the porcessors maximum MIPS was 0.7 apposed to the 5A22's 1.5 MIPS, the overclocked M68000 used in the NeoGeo of the same console generation ran at a maximum 1.25 MIPS, too.

I really wish people would actually do some research before spouting the 'strongest console never won a generation' because it just shows how ill informed they are and makes them sound like absolute nutcases.

I believe Neo Geo was part of that gen and was much more powerful than SNES, not sure if Jaguar, CDi and 3DO were considered 4th gen



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

S.T.A.G.E. on 30 April 2013
Jumpin said:
PS4 20-35 million

Sony has been in serious decline in the past 8 years, this is exemplified with steep declines of PS3 and Vita from prior generations.. Expect that trend of decline to continue.


LOL...What caused the decline though, if I might ask? Unless you can figure out what their hang up 25- million is rather questionable for Sony. Even in third place they are over 70 million. Their competition cant even pull that off on their worst days.



walsufnir on 30 April 2013
zorg1000 said:
Tachikoma said:
Dr.JimmyRustles said:
@Tachikoma

Hate to tell you this but, the strongest console never won a generation.


Hate to tell you this but you forgot to put your tin foil hat on this morning, Also the SNES had more power and resources than the Megadrive, despite Sega's marketing spin the Motorola 68000 processor lacked game specific functions present in Nintendo's custom 5A22, despite the M68000 running at twice the speed of the 5A22 the porcessors maximum MIPS was 0.7 apposed to the 5A22's 1.5 MIPS, the overclocked M68000 used in the NeoGeo of the same console generation ran at a maximum 1.25 MIPS, too.

I really wish people would actually do some research before spouting the 'strongest console never won a generation' because it just shows how ill informed they are and makes them sound like absolute nutcases.

I believe Neo Geo was part of that gen and was much more powerful than SNES, not sure if Jaguar, CDi and 3DO were considered 4th gen

NeoGeo was way too expensive to be successful. It was an arcade platform made available to usual customers. Jaguar was more a competitor to psx and Saturn, CDi was never a competitor to anything, 3DO is also more considered to be in competition to Saturn and psx.



zorg1000 on 30 April 2013
walsufnir said:
zorg1000 said:
Tachikoma said:
Dr.JimmyRustles said:
@Tachikoma

Hate to tell you this but, the strongest console never won a generation.


Hate to tell you this but you forgot to put your tin foil hat on this morning, Also the SNES had more power and resources than the Megadrive, despite Sega's marketing spin the Motorola 68000 processor lacked game specific functions present in Nintendo's custom 5A22, despite the M68000 running at twice the speed of the 5A22 the porcessors maximum MIPS was 0.7 apposed to the 5A22's 1.5 MIPS, the overclocked M68000 used in the NeoGeo of the same console generation ran at a maximum 1.25 MIPS, too.

I really wish people would actually do some research before spouting the 'strongest console never won a generation' because it just shows how ill informed they are and makes them sound like absolute nutcases.

I believe Neo Geo was part of that gen and was much more powerful than SNES, not sure if Jaguar, CDi and 3DO were considered 4th gen

NeoGeo was way too expensive to be successful. It was an arcade platform made available to usual customers. Jaguar was more a competitor to psx and Saturn, CDi was never a competitor to anything, 3DO is also more considered to be in competition to Saturn and psx.

Ok thanks for the info, I wasnt exactly sure what gen they were considered.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

walsufnir on 30 April 2013
zorg1000 said:
walsufnir said:
zorg1000 said:
Tachikoma said:
Dr.JimmyRustles said:
@Tachikoma

Hate to tell you this but, the strongest console never won a generation.


Hate to tell you this but you forgot to put your tin foil hat on this morning, Also the SNES had more power and resources than the Megadrive, despite Sega's marketing spin the Motorola 68000 processor lacked game specific functions present in Nintendo's custom 5A22, despite the M68000 running at twice the speed of the 5A22 the porcessors maximum MIPS was 0.7 apposed to the 5A22's 1.5 MIPS, the overclocked M68000 used in the NeoGeo of the same console generation ran at a maximum 1.25 MIPS, too.

I really wish people would actually do some research before spouting the 'strongest console never won a generation' because it just shows how ill informed they are and makes them sound like absolute nutcases.

I believe Neo Geo was part of that gen and was much more powerful than SNES, not sure if Jaguar, CDi and 3DO were considered 4th gen

NeoGeo was way too expensive to be successful. It was an arcade platform made available to usual customers. Jaguar was more a competitor to psx and Saturn, CDi was never a competitor to anything, 3DO is also more considered to be in competition to Saturn and psx.

Ok thanks for the info, I wasnt exactly sure what gen they were considered.


They were intermediate ones, a lot like WiiU is now. But the sales were worse :)