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Forums - General - France legalizes gay marriage despite angry protests

 

Do you want gay marriage in your country?

Yes, It would just be fair 241 58.78%
 
No, get the gay out of my country 102 24.88%
 
meh, I don't really care 66 16.10%
 
Total:409
Lostplanet22 on 25 April 2013
Jay520 said:

I have a solution to settle this madness.

Some people want "marriage" to be defined under religion only. Others think "marriage" should be free to be used by everyone. Here is the solution: we create a new term for homosexuals and nonreligious couples. That new term should be "marriage." Of course this looks and sounds like the religious "marriage" but it's actually different. It would just be a homonym, like "left" and "left" - one is the opposite of right and the other is the past tense of leave. They are spelled and pronounced the same, but have entirely different meaning.

We can reach a similar compromise with religion. The religious "marriage" will be exclusively under religious authority, while the other "marriage" will be a general term for marriage in general. No one group of people has a dictatorship over a particular arrangement of letters and syllables.

Who agrees?

Butt buddies?  (reference to the South park episode before I get reported =p;)



 

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Slimebeast on 25 April 2013
Tom3k said:

Slimebeast said:

I suppose. Those are the ones I am aware of since I studied the subject over 10 years ago in med school (on a small litterature study I made, actually promoting the theory that homosexuality is geneticially linked and evolutionary selected for through the kin-mechanism).

I'm not updated though, but one would think they should have found other markers by now (if there really is strong disposition for this trait). But I haven't read any big news about it so I suspect they haven't made any major discoveries yet.

Do you have some interesting to tell us about the whole thing?

The existence or even relevance of HMS 1 was never independently confirmed, and the "gene" itself was in 2007 withdrawn by HGNC. If you do an Entrez search for "homosexuality" you'll see that the only result you'll get is the (withdrawn) HMS 1. There isn't anything new.

From the studies I've read recently the current focus seems to be on epigentics.

(And I would argue that there is significant biological difference between ADHD and homosexuality. To see what I mean do an Entrez search for "Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder").

Could you elaborate?

(I did the search but it came with so many results so I don't know what to read. I know that, as far as we know, ADHD seems to be inherited much strongly than homosexuality, in other words the ADHD genetical markers are much more significant than the ones linked to homosexuality, but I don't know what you mean when you say "significant biological difference").



Dr.Grass on 25 April 2013
dsgrue3 said:
RCTjunkie said:
The poll shows a slight sense of bias.

Just because someone doesn't approve of Gay Marriage doesn't mean that they want them out of the country or view them as evil demons/lesser persons.....

Provide a compelling argument for disallowing gays to marry without using the terms "The Bible", "I feel", or "Jesus" and I'll entertain it. Otherwise you're simply using religious rhetoric to promote your own bigotry.

Marriage is religious rhetoric, smart ass.



Dr.Grass on 25 April 2013
Tom3k said:
RCTjunkie said:
The poll shows a slight sense of bias.

Just because someone doesn't approve of Gay Marriage doesn't mean that they want them out of the country or view them as evil demons/lesser persons.....

If you view them as someone that doesn't deserve to have same rights and liberties as you do, then you clearly see them as something "less" than yourself.


I want to marry a dog but can't. That means the lawmakers see me as lesser.

:-|

O_o



dsgrue3 on 25 April 2013
Dr.Grass said:
dsgrue3 said:
RCTjunkie said:
The poll shows a slight sense of bias.

Just because someone doesn't approve of Gay Marriage doesn't mean that they want them out of the country or view them as evil demons/lesser persons.....

Provide a compelling argument for disallowing gays to marry without using the terms "The Bible", "I feel", or "Jesus" and I'll entertain it. Otherwise you're simply using religious rhetoric to promote your own bigotry.

Marriage is religious rhetoric, smart ass.

Sure?

mar·riage

 noun ˈmer-ij, ˈma-rij

Definition of MARRIAGE

1
a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law

Oops.

Slimebeast said:

Classified on psychiatric grounds, but not on biological grounds. Biologically there is no difference (as far as we know today).

ADHD - controlled by genetics.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/09/100929191312.htm

Homosexuality - not controlled by genetics, but epigenetics. 

http://www.nimbios.org/press/FS_homosexuality

Huge difference. Your decade old knowledge is obsolete. Get with the times.



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Dr.Grass on 25 April 2013
dsgrue3 said:
Dr.Grass said:
dsgrue3 said:
RCTjunkie said:
The poll shows a slight sense of bias.

Just because someone doesn't approve of Gay Marriage doesn't mean that they want them out of the country or view them as evil demons/lesser persons.....

Provide a compelling argument for disallowing gays to marry without using the terms "The Bible", "I feel", or "Jesus" and I'll entertain it. Otherwise you're simply using religious rhetoric to promote your own bigotry.

Marriage is religious rhetoric, smart ass.

Sure?

 

mar·riage

 noun ˈmer-ij, ˈma-rij
 

Definition of MARRIAGE

1
a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law

 

Oops.

 

*ahem*


WELL IF YOU ARE GOING TO USE A DEFINITION LITERALLY WITHOUT USING YOUR BRAIN TO ANALYZE THE CONTEXT (as in marriage originates from religious rhetoric) THEN YOU'D DO WELL TO READ THE DEFNITION OVER YOURSELF.

Definition of MARRIAGE

1
a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law
Wish I could call you a... oh what the hell
IDIOT
-this user was moderated for this post by amp316


MoiseHnkel on 25 April 2013
Dr.Grass said:
dsgrue3 said:
Dr.Grass said:
dsgrue3 said:
RCTjunkie said:
The poll shows a slight sense of bias.

Just because someone doesn't approve of Gay Marriage doesn't mean that they want them out of the country or view them as evil demons/lesser persons.....

Provide a compelling argument for disallowing gays to marry without using the terms "The Bible", "I feel", or "Jesus" and I'll entertain it. Otherwise you're simply using religious rhetoric to promote your own bigotry.

Marriage is religious rhetoric, smart ass.

Sure?

 

mar·riage

 noun ˈmer-ij, ˈma-rij
 

Definition of MARRIAGE

1
a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law

 

Oops.

 

*ahem*


WELL IF YOU ARE GOING TO USE A DEFINITION LITERALLY WITHOUT USING YOUR BRAIN TO ANALYZE THE CONTEXT (as in marriage originates from religious rhetoric) THEN YOU'D DO WELL TO READ THE DEFNITION OVER YOURSELF.

Definition of MARRIAGE

1
a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law
Wish I could call you a... oh what the hell
IDIOT

If you follow the evolution of meaning, you can see a good exemple in south park( you can't hate it but they are on basis rigth ) the term ''FAG'' doesn't really mean what it use to be, people used it to attack homosexual, with some exeption.The meanning of the word  it closer to ''douchebag'', ''stupid'', ''asshold'' with the language meanning tent to change and evolve. 

 

Just like most a the people on social recognition ... and acceptence ... most of them evolve ...



the2real4mafol on 25 April 2013

I'm glad it passed, i don't know why people oppose this. They aren't being forced to do anything, they don't lose the right to traditional marriage or anything. I bet most of those who oppose are old pensioners.



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the2real4mafol on 25 April 2013
dsgrue3 said:

 

mar·riage

 noun ˈmer-ij, ˈma-rij
 

Definition of MARRIAGE

1
a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law

 

Words change meaning over time as languages evolve

for example, gay used to mean happy, but now it means homosexual and it will probably change meaning again eventually.



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dsgrue3 on 25 April 2013
the2real4mafol said:

Words change meaning over time as languages evolve

for example, gay used to mean happy, but now it means homosexual and it will probably change meaning again eventually.

Absolutely agree; the intent was to show that religion has nothing to do with marriage, not that marriage is between two members of the opposite sex. That aspect of the definition will adapt.