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Farsala on 21 April 2013
DanneSandin said:
Farsala said:
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Farsala said:
Wait so the PS3 sales are pretty good now? It is not a complete disaster compared to the PS2?

Well... no, it's still pretty disastrous imo, but that's not the point of this thread. The point here is that it's always done reasonably well all the time, so when people are talking about the PS3 comeback they're referring to something that didn't take place.


Point is it went from selling disastrous numbers compared to Wii and PS2, to now decent enough numbers to propel it to only 25m behind Wii now and the gap will soon be smaller. The gap was at one point of course 0ish units and went really quickly to at least a 32m gap and now it is closing due to the PS3 still being supported well. Nintendo abandoing Wii is irrelevant. 360 as a whole is irrelevant, as it lost its lead and as you said always had signs that it would lose to PS3.

But that's the thing though; it never did disastrous numbers. In that case, the X360 did just as much of a comeback as PS3 did. And if we aren't going to compare it with Wii or X360 it did even worse! Then we have to compare it with its predecessor, and then it's a failure all around.

1. 360 lost its lead to Wii.

2.360 never did a comeback because it was became 2nd and always had signs of the PS3 passing it. PS3 has possibility of getting very close to Wii.

3. 360 comeback is irrelevant to PS3 comeback.

1. PS3 is still in 3rd place.

2. PS3 never made a comeback; it just continued to sell better than the competition for the better part of the year (excluding Wii sales)

1. It went from a faraway 3rd place, to a close 3rd place. And possibly a close 2nd place. Marketshare terms: went from 22% to 30%. Could go to 33% assuming generous sales of 360.

2.I am of course including Wii as Wii was its main competitor for the generation. Wii was the first console to dethrone a PS home console from 1st place. Excluding Wii is like excluding PS2 and comparing gamecube and Xbox.



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Metallicube on 21 April 2013

It's not so much that PS3 made a "comeback" as it was Wii simply hitting the wall druing around early 2011 thanks to lack of games, while PS3's sales stayed relatively steady. So I guess by comparison, it looks as if Sony "made a comeback" when really they were just following a traditional sales curve the whole time, while Nintendo skyrocketed in the beginning, only to have the bottom fall out from under it at the end. The sheer insanity and the amount it skyrocketed in the beginning though will still be enough to stay ahead of the PS3 in the end, though it's going to end up far closer than I ever thought it would.



thismeintiel on 21 April 2013
DanneSandin said:
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Well, since that other thread got locked, my main point was the PS3 has made a comeback. Also, the person who said the gap was continually closing since the PS3's launch in EU was in incorrect. In 2008, when MS dropped the entry price to $199 for the holiday season, the gap grew by 710K, to 7.4M, for the year. This was when many claimed, including some on this site, that the gap would either remain the same or continue to grow. With the launch of the Slim, that didn't happen. The PS3 has been outselling it every year since.

It's such a strong comeback, in fact, that even the HUGE success MS had with Kinect couldn't combat the PS3's sales. Aligned launches never paint the whole picture, and completely ignores the poor image the PS3 had at the start of this gen.

I'll give you that PS3 made an IMAGE comeback, but not one in sales. And this is a sales site and we're talking sales. But yeas, PS3 made an image comeback.

PS3 outsold X360 for the better part of 2008, and sold on par with X360 for most of 2009 as well. And making a "huge" comeback would mean PS3 outsold ALL of the competition by a mile, which it hasn't. It's still in 3rd place, even though the gap has more or less been closed. So it hasn't made a "huge" comeback. It's just continued to sell better than X360.

The point is, if Sony hadn't launched their comeback plan, then the 360 could have very well taken 2009 like it did 2008.  The PS3 could have outsold it slightly early in the year, but when the holidays hit, 360 sales would have exploded.  Because of the price cut, Slim, game releases, and advertising, that didn't happen.  And you can't really judge this til its over.  I mean what if the PS3 goes on to sell 110M-115M and the Wii stops at 102-105M, the 360 at 85-90M?  That's a damn big comeback from where the PS3 was at in 2008.  You're trying to judge this as if all sales are in and final. 



 

S.T.A.G.E. on 21 April 2013
DanneSandin said:
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I've seen a lot of people praising Sony on how they turned the PS3 around from a disastrous launch to nearly/soon overtaking the second most sold console this generation. But is this actually true? From what I can find from the sales data, no it isn't.

PS3 never made a comeback!

Take a look at this picture:

It's from right here: http://www.vgchartz.com/tools/hw_date.php

Looking at it it becomes very clear that PS3 never did horrible, and always sold on par with the Xbox360, and often even a bit more. The only times X360 sold better were during the Holidays. So where precisely IS this comeback? I don't see it. It's not there. PS3 has outsold the X360 pretty consistently ever since its 2nd year, only being outsold during the Holidays.

Sony never did anything to say that the PS3 made a comeback, because it never really went away. It never did so bad that it had to make a comeback.

This isn't flamebaiting, or trolling or whatever you wanna call it. I know some of you won't agree with me about this, but I just don't see where, or how, the PS3 made a comeback. As a PS fan maybe you wanna tell me what you mean when you're talking about the PS3 comeback?

EDIT:

And here's a comparison with all 3 consoles for those who wants it.


Dude...The PS3 launched a year after the 360 and now has one million consoles less after a 10 million console lead. If you average it out by years, the PS3 has sold more in a shorter amount of time.

Yeeees, and your point is? I said that in the OP more or less; PS3 always sold on par or better than the X360, which means that it never did too shabby to begin with, and therefore never had a comeback - since it actually never did poorly (relatively speaking of course)


Closing a 10 million console gap is still a comeback in my eyes. 



thismeintiel on 21 April 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Closing a 10 million console gap is still a comeback in my eyes. 

Especially since it's the first time it has been accomplished.  And with so much going against the console from the start.



 

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MoHasanie on 21 April 2013

Wow, so its clear that the PS3's comeback was a little exaggerated since it sold well after 2007.



    

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S.T.A.G.E. on 21 April 2013
thismeintiel said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Closing a 10 million console gap is still a comeback in my eyes. 

Especially since it's the first time it has been accomplished.  And with so much going against the console from the start.


Exactly. Three years ago it was five million consoles behind the Xbox 360.



DanneSandin on 21 April 2013
Farsala said:
DanneSandin said:
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1. 360 lost its lead to Wii.

2.360 never did a comeback because it was became 2nd and always had signs of the PS3 passing it. PS3 has possibility of getting very close to Wii.

3. 360 comeback is irrelevant to PS3 comeback.

1. PS3 is still in 3rd place.

2. PS3 never made a comeback; it just continued to sell better than the competition for the better part of the year (excluding Wii sales)

1. It went from a faraway 3rd place, to a close 3rd place. And possibly a close 2nd place. Marketshare terms: went from 22% to 30%. Could go to 33% assuming generous sales of 360.

2.I am of course including Wii as Wii was its main competitor for the generation. Wii was the first console to dethrone a PS home console from 1st place. Excluding Wii is like excluding PS2 and comparing gamecube and Xbox.

It was only a far away 3rd because it launched later than X360, but already from the get go it was closing that gap, and continued to do so - that's not making a come back. A comeback is: a return to being popular or fashionable - and since PS3 never WENT OUT of fashion, and never became UNpopular it can't make a comeback. There wasn't anything to make a comeback from.



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DanneSandin on 21 April 2013
thismeintiel said:
DanneSandin said:
thismeintiel said:
Well, since that other thread got locked, my main point was the PS3 has made a comeback. Also, the person who said the gap was continually closing since the PS3's launch in EU was in incorrect. In 2008, when MS dropped the entry price to $199 for the holiday season, the gap grew by 710K, to 7.4M, for the year. This was when many claimed, including some on this site, that the gap would either remain the same or continue to grow. With the launch of the Slim, that didn't happen. The PS3 has been outselling it every year since.

It's such a strong comeback, in fact, that even the HUGE success MS had with Kinect couldn't combat the PS3's sales. Aligned launches never paint the whole picture, and completely ignores the poor image the PS3 had at the start of this gen.

I'll give you that PS3 made an IMAGE comeback, but not one in sales. And this is a sales site and we're talking sales. But yeas, PS3 made an image comeback.

PS3 outsold X360 for the better part of 2008, and sold on par with X360 for most of 2009 as well. And making a "huge" comeback would mean PS3 outsold ALL of the competition by a mile, which it hasn't. It's still in 3rd place, even though the gap has more or less been closed. So it hasn't made a "huge" comeback. It's just continued to sell better than X360.

The point is, if Sony hadn't launched their comeback plan, then the 360 could have very well taken 2009 like it did 2008.  The PS3 could have outsold it slightly early in the year, but when the holidays hit, 360 sales would have exploded.  Because of the price cut, Slim, game releases, and advertising, that didn't happen.  And you can't really judge this til its over.  I mean what if the PS3 goes on to sell 110M-115M and the Wii stops at 102-105M, the 360 at 85-90M?  That's a damn big comeback from where the PS3 was at in 2008.  You're trying to judge this as if all sales are in and final. 

Well, if that happens I'll gladly make a thread about the HUGE comeback PS3 actually did, but I'm not gonna concede to this perceived comeback.



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ethomaz on 21 April 2013
MoHasanie said:
Wow, so its clear that the PS3's comeback was a little exaggerated since it sold well after 2007.

2007: Wii > 360 > PS3
2008: Wii > 360 > PS3
2009: Wii > 360 > PS3 * until Slim launch

Sorry but how PS3 sold well after 2007? It sold well after Slim lauch... 2010 to date.