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Otakumegane on 21 April 2013

Wait, so a CAPCOM game is the benchmark for graphics on 3DS?

I'm stunned.



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brendude13 on 21 April 2013
Otakumegane said:
Wait, so a CAPCOM game is the benchmark for graphics on 3DS?

I'm stunned.

Did I do something wrong?



ethomaz on 21 April 2013

brendude13 said:

I'd say Revelations isn't that far off of Golden Abyss. Developers have really been underperforming on the Vita in my opinion, a lot of games aren't even maxing the resolution of the screen.

Fingers cross Killzone changes all of that though.

Well... Uncharted overall looks better IMO and it is a launch title vs. second wave of titles.



Otakumegane on 21 April 2013
brendude13 said:
Otakumegane said:
Wait, so a CAPCOM game is the benchmark for graphics on 3DS?

I'm stunned.

Did I do something wrong?

Nah just shocked that a 3rd party has produced better graphics than most of 1st party tendo.

I should wait for Monolith soft.



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Kresnik on 21 April 2013
brendude13 said:

I'd say Revelations isn't that far off of Golden Abyss. Developers have really been underperforming on the Vita in my opinion, a lot of games aren't even maxing the resolution of the screen.

Fingers cross Killzone changes all of that though.


Really?  I mean, Revelations is a beautiful-looking game, no doubt, but I always thought Uncharted looked stunning from the videos I've seen of it.

However, I don't own either game so other people may be better informed on the subject than me :P.  Is there something in particular that Revelations does better than Golden Abyss?

From a layman's point of view, I always found WipEout 2048 the most visually impressive of the launch titles for Vita.



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ethomaz on 21 April 2013

Kresnik said:

Really?  I mean, Revelations is a beautiful-looking game, no doubt, but I always thought Uncharted looked stunning from the videos I've seen of it.

However, I don't own either game so other people may be better informed on the subject than me :P.  Is there something in particular that Revelations does better than Golden Abyss?

From a layman's point of view, I always found WipEout 2048 the most visually impressive of the launch titles for Vita.

Revelations is beautiful but Golden Abyss looks better... nobody can deny that.



orniletter on 21 April 2013
Otakumegane said:
brendude13 said:
Otakumegane said:
Wait, so a CAPCOM game is the benchmark for graphics on 3DS?

I'm stunned.

Did I do something wrong?

Nah just shocked that a 3rd party has produced better graphics than most of 1st party tendo.

I should wait for Monolith soft.


Some people would argue that Rare´s N64 games (especially the later ones like Conker, Banjo Tooie and Perfect Dark and Donkey Kong 64) look better than Nintendo´s and on the Gamecube, there was Factor 5 with Star Wars Rouge Squadron 3 and Capcom with the Resident Evil Remake and 4 .



Kaizar on 21 April 2013
VGKing said:
Kaizar said:
Chark said:
VGKing said:
Chark said:

Not sure how accurate this is, but 3DS is stronger in a variety of ways even if it isn't pushing tech very far.

The PSP has 128 ppi and the 3DS has 237 ppi. As what seems to be Nintendo's calling card, releasing hardware at a marginal increase in performance as a means to provide lower cost of development, even though I'm not sure that always translates, but it atleast provides them with cheaper manufacturing costs to prevent the need to sell at a large loss....well typically.

Really? You added the top and bottom screens resolutions...

I didn't, and that's pretty shotty. those screens have different ppi too. the top screen higher than the Vita even, and at a smaller size. it is too bad the 3ds isnt more powerful.

Side note if people haven't realized, some of Kaizer's numbers and claims are exaggerated. Not all, but we've had debates and numbers flew wild. I think the site he frequents on 3DS is where he gets his ideas. With that said 3DS is better than some might think and easily beats psp.

You kept claiming the GPU (PICA200) was 200 MHz at the time. And I kept telling everyone that the GPU was 400 MHz, but no one believe me at the time, which was earlier this year (2013).

I said the 3DS has a 400 MHz GPU and that the PS vita has a 266 MHz GPU. That's what the whole debate on the other thread was about between you & me. It was all arguing about the 3DS 400 MHz GPU vs. the PS Vita 266 MHz GPU. I was just saying that it looks like it wins in GPU against the Vita.
ModelDateCoresDie Size (mm2)[1]Config core[3]Fillrate (@ 200 MHz)Bus width (bit)API (version)GFLOPS(@ 200 MHz,per core)
MTriangles/s[1]MPixel/s[1]DirectXOpenGLOpenCL
SGX543 Jan 2009 1-16 5.4@32 nm 4/2 35 1000 64 9.0 L3 2.1 1.1 7.2

This is the GPU inside the Vita. It's a quad core GPU so MHz doesn't really matter since it reasily overpowerd the one inside the 3DS. I heard even that developers can over/underclock the GPU as they see fit. You really need to learn about these things before putting out baseless claims. The GPU inside the 3DS is single core. The clock speed can be anywhere from 100MhZ to 400MhZ. We'll probably never know how its clocked.  The reason people say 3DS is no more powerful than a PSP is because that 3D effect really hurts the graphics. Now, I'll leave you with a graphics comparison between the 3DS and the Vita. Speculate on specs all you want but the games are what really show which is more powerful.

3DS Fifa 12 gameplay compared to Fifa 12 Vita Gameplay:

 

 


So the 3DS has 30.6 million triangles (polygons) & the PS Vita has 35 million triangles (polygons)

4.4 million polygons more in the PS Vita.

Well I know the 360 has a 1-core 500 MHz GPU & the PS3 has a 1-core 550 MHz GPU & the 3DS has a 1-core 400 MHz GPU.

So the PS Vita 4-core 266 MHz GPU makes it better then all of the other GPUs, including being better then the Wii Us 1-core 550 to 800 MHz GPU?



Kaizar on 21 April 2013
Kresnik said:
VGKing said:

3DS Fifa 12 gameplay compared to Fifa 12 Vita Gameplay:


That was crazy.  The players in the 3DS version barely moved like humans.

 

JoeTheBro said:

Not an exclusive but a much better comparison video.

That was really interesting too.  The resolution on the 3DS version is obviously loads worse, framerate suffers too.  But surprisingly, it all seems to be there compared to the Vita version... which is pretty impressive.  GJ Sumo Digital!

 

 

Thanks for posting these, I find this stuff fascinating.


Actually the 3DS version on firmware 5.0.0-11 is at 60 fps with the 3D ON. But all the other Console (both Home & Handheld) versions of the game is 30 fps in 2D only, there is NO 3D for the PS3/360/Wii U version.



Kresnik on 21 April 2013
Kaizar said:

Actually the 3DS version on firmware 5.0.0-11 is at 60 fps with the 3D ON. 


Do you have a source for that?



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