You know that's just pushing things out of context. Point is they lost a gigantic amount of $$ on PS3 and they sure as hell can't take a 100+ loss at launch upfront.

Lemme go look up some FY2011, but they lost $$ during their Q1-Q3 2012.

Eh you claimed they lost all of their profits, which was wrong, I don't see how it is pushing things out of context. You were even sure of what you claimed until I showed otherwise.

$100 loss/unit is plausible, the deficit will be offset by software and psn sales but they'll still post a loss. You call people expecting PS4 to cost $400 delusional, you are assuming even the base model is +$500 to manufacture based on nothing.

$100 loss per console, for something that is selling even as bad as the WiiU would mean that Sony will be fronting more than $300m for the first year.

Even with software and psn they would be struggling to keep the balance sheet in the black. Given that there is a lot of pressure from investors for Sony to actually become profitable and not just barely break even, this is a seppuku level proposition, heads would simply fly.

Very very slim chance of this happening.

remember how many more custom parts PS3 had.  The R&D and crazy manufacturing cost drove up the cost immensely.

Oh lol I'm sorry I had 1 piece of info wrong. PS3 did in fact dissolve all profits from PS1 and PS2. The reason why the discrepancy shows on the graph is because of the PSP posting some nice profits. So yes, on the console front, PS3 wiped out PS1 and PS2 profits.

Can't believe I was dumb enough to miss that. Sry bout that.

Again, you talk nonsense, pls back up what you claim with a source or two.

he can't...i mean how can he say the PSP is profiting and at the same time say that the PS3 wiped out PS1/PS2 profits without showing any evidence and when sony doesnt even break down any of those numbers.

I would just ignore.

Aight adding up 1995-2005 numbers we get...$5,340,853,500 that would be total profits under PS1+2 no PSP

Total profits till 2005-5.34 billion

Losses incured through 2005-2013 (January or around when Q3 result are out for 2012)--4.95 billion

Total compiled profit-$390 million through 1995-2013. COMPILED so with PSP profits.

Now, according to this article, http://www.vg247.com/2013/01/07/xbox-360-and-ps3-losses-total-8-billion-ex-sony-employee-paints-grim-future/

Sony lost $4.95 billion during the years of PS3 launch till Jan of 2013, but because Sony complied the losses of PS3 and profits on PSP, (Similarly to how GBA profits and GC losses were complied into a total profit), we have no exact clear number on how much PSP alone made a profit.

So it's up to you to decide whether PSP with 77 million consoles sold and 280 million software units made the meager amount of $400 million of profit throughout it's entire lifecycle till January 2013. Either way it's pathetic. 

You say PSP can't have made that little of a profit, PS3 did indeed lose more $$ than the PS1+2 made them. And the PSP is hiding that loss.

On the other hand you can argue that throughout 8 years of the PSP's lifecycle, it made less than $400 million total in profits. No way in hell that's true. PSP was a very sucessful piece of hardware. 

PS3 lost Sony more than 5.3 billion and PSP made more than 400 million. Well and then there's PSVita R&D and losses. 

More research will be posted.

In that case it would be more like $429,- for the base model with 320gb, maybe 500gb.
$499 for a 1tb model, max 3 months ps+ included.

I would like to see a model with SSD but the prices for those are still pretty high.
Cheapest 2.5" 120GB SATA III SSD I can find is $105, compared to $70 for a 5400 rpm 2.5" 1tb hdd.

I wouldn't mind a base model with flash so I could put an SSD drive in myself. The smaller storage space with a larger price just doesn't sit well with advertising so I don't think that Sony is going that route. Even a 7200 rpm drive is probably not going to happen.

This just doesn't make any sense.