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TimCliveroller on 14 April 2013
VGKing said:
superchunk said:
PS3 is still 3rd place. To be a comeback it has to actually .... come back.

Seven years on market and its narrowed a 360 gap from about 7m to about 1m now.
Seven years on market and its narrowed a Wii gap from a peak of about 36m to 25m; 2007 (10m), 2008 (24m), 2009 (33m), 2010 (36m), 2011 (33m), 2012 (28/m).

So a console that was almost identical the PS3 gained less than 1m each year and a console that was 20x lower in power with NONE of the 3rd party AAA titles, PS3 only started to narrow the gap once that console effectively lost all support and is now replaced.

I don't consider that a comeback of anything. PS3 has always sold slightly more than 360 when you align launches and it'll never catch Wii. I guess if it takes 2nd eventually, you can call it a come back to 2nd place.

Why are you comparing it to the Wii?  I really don't think Wii sales affected those of the PS3 or the 360, they're not really competitors as they are going for completely different markets.

Yes, PS3 is still in 3rd place, but I don't think that matters. Ignoring the fact that its about to take 2nd place, it is roughly on par with the 360 in sales. This is an amazing feat considering it launched a year later, at a higher price, with poor launch games and weak online infrastructure. PS3 really was the underdog this gen and it has overcome so much. Sony did an excellent job at making sure the console didn't become a failure.

"PS3 really was the underdog this gen and it has overcome so much." .Spin. 



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VGKing on 14 April 2013
Machiavellian said:
brendude13 said:
I don't think people understand what the OP is trying to say, either that or they are intentionally ignoring it. He meant the sales comeback of a single console only, not the financial comeback of a company.

It is quite surprising to see the PS3 selling so well after how things were in 2007. 3DS could be compared to it but its poor start didn't last nearly as long.


No I believe people do understand what the OP is talking about and people responding is saying you cannot dismiss the Money Sony had pay in order to come back.  You cannot dismiss Sony going into the red while their competition has stayed in the green.  You cannot dismiss that Sony lost a major market like the US to both their competition.  If it takes 7 years for you to almost catch your competition while you are about to release your next product, then people are defining a comeback in narrow terms.  As a product, that cost you th profits for your first and second gen product, do anybody think SONY believe this is a win.

If the OP would have stated that Sony as a business, making smart decisions to prepare their next console on some good moves and smart choices I will definitely agree.  Because of the competition, Sony had to rethink their business and how they do business.  They have take the strenghts of their competitors and made them strengths of their own while also bring some good features to their services like Plus.  Sony mentality on Indie developers have changed and their thought process on giving the people who will make you successful (Developers) have changed.  Sony as a company I would say made a great comeback.

The PS3, well like some one said, If Sony is willing to pay billions of dollars to gain 2nd place, I am sure MS and Nintendo is more than willing to let Sony do that again.  The winners are still Nintendo and MS.  MS turend around and became a national powerhouse, and Nintendo reclaimed heir crown.

This Gen everything starts over again and it appears before MS even get their product on the market, Sony fans are already proclaiming a win when this generation hasn't begun.  This will not be a sprint but a marathon and all parties are pretty much starting at the same time.

Company financials have nothing to do with this thread. Tha'ts really the only thing that the PS3 failed at. But it doesn't matter. I could mention how Microsoft also lost billions on the 360. Did you forget that they also sold the console at a loss? Did you forget about the RROD? The Xbox 360 may be a cash cow right now, but so is the PS3. Both consoles bled money for years and years for their companies.

Now lets please get back on topic.



VGKing on 14 April 2013
TimCliveroller said:
VGKing said:
superchunk said:
PS3 is still 3rd place. To be a comeback it has to actually .... come back.

Seven years on market and its narrowed a 360 gap from about 7m to about 1m now.
Seven years on market and its narrowed a Wii gap from a peak of about 36m to 25m; 2007 (10m), 2008 (24m), 2009 (33m), 2010 (36m), 2011 (33m), 2012 (28/m).

So a console that was almost identical the PS3 gained less than 1m each year and a console that was 20x lower in power with NONE of the 3rd party AAA titles, PS3 only started to narrow the gap once that console effectively lost all support and is now replaced.

I don't consider that a comeback of anything. PS3 has always sold slightly more than 360 when you align launches and it'll never catch Wii. I guess if it takes 2nd eventually, you can call it a come back to 2nd place.

Why are you comparing it to the Wii?  I really don't think Wii sales affected those of the PS3 or the 360, they're not really competitors as they are going for completely different markets.

Yes, PS3 is still in 3rd place, but I don't think that matters. Ignoring the fact that its about to take 2nd place, it is roughly on par with the 360 in sales. This is an amazing feat considering it launched a year later, at a higher price, with poor launch games and weak online infrastructure. PS3 really was the underdog this gen and it has overcome so much. Sony did an excellent job at making sure the console didn't become a failure.

"PS3 really was the underdog this gen and it has overcome so much." .Spin. 

Nope. Facts. 



Weedlab on 14 April 2013

PS3 is the Yu Gi Oh kid. Things managed to turn around after a dire situation. Sony believed in the heart of the cards mid stream and managed to turn things around with a better hand.

 

It's time to du du du duel!



 

Playstation = The Beast from the East

Sony + Nintendo = WIN! PS3 + PSV + PS4 + Wii U + 3DS


Machiavellian on 14 April 2013
Wright said:
DigitalDevilSummoner said:
Wright said:
DigitalDevilSummoner said:
Wright said:
DigitalDevilSummoner said:

 

The state of the PS3 right now is indeed an achievement. Rocky level comeback... probably more like Rocky 4

 


Rocky 4? That was a horrible comeback! Then there's Rocky V, which is even worse.

 

If you want to put a huge comeback, you could have said Rocky Balboa.

 

Rocky loses in Rocky Balboa


You are further proving my point. Rocky loses in Rocky Balboa (That was not the message hidden under Rocky Balboa, though, what a beautiful movie and comeback if you ask me), yet he's the winner. Look at this: Sony has lost billions and it is still losing, but here's the Ps3 despite everything they went through. I think Rocky Balboa and Ps3 are the most fitting example.)

You are changing the subject, I am not comparing movies but fights.

My comparison is still more apt; the Russian was already in shape (out one year earlier), he was taller than Rocky (more games), heavier than Rocky (100 bucks cheaper) and had already killed Rocky's friend Apollo (stolen ex sony exclusives).


Oh! Should have started there. That makes more sense, but then, wouldn't be aproppiated to say it's a Rocky 3 comeback? More than 4? It was at the top then fell down to point zero by a newcomer, then fought his way back to the top again?

Yeah but Sony isn't back on top, its Nintendo.  Sony hasn't even beaten the 2nd best fighter yet, and the 2nd place fighter has taken 2nd place in the use with a huge lead that will not be overcome by Sony.  Sony will not overtake neither First or 2nd place in that country but probably will get 2nd place in Europe.

It could be very interesting if MS does come out with a rebranded 360 and service to go along with it and it sells like hot cakes.  Would that negate the comeback.  The comeback hasn't happen yet but instead, Sony has just got back in shape and can put up a decent fight.  I would say its more like Rocky 3 where Rock got complacent.  Got his butt handed to him by Clubber lang and now he had to go old school to get back to shape.  He got advice from his previous competitor (Sony copying their competitors), and brought along his own brand of fighting.

It will be interesting to see if Sony can take the crown back this generation but then again, its a long way to the top with plenty of chances for all parties to stumble.



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TimCliveroller on 14 April 2013
VGKing said:
TimCliveroller said:
VGKing said:
superchunk said:
PS3 is still 3rd place. To be a comeback it has to actually .... come back.

Seven years on market and its narrowed a 360 gap from about 7m to about 1m now.
Seven years on market and its narrowed a Wii gap from a peak of about 36m to 25m; 2007 (10m), 2008 (24m), 2009 (33m), 2010 (36m), 2011 (33m), 2012 (28/m).

So a console that was almost identical the PS3 gained less than 1m each year and a console that was 20x lower in power with NONE of the 3rd party AAA titles, PS3 only started to narrow the gap once that console effectively lost all support and is now replaced.

I don't consider that a comeback of anything. PS3 has always sold slightly more than 360 when you align launches and it'll never catch Wii. I guess if it takes 2nd eventually, you can call it a come back to 2nd place.

Why are you comparing it to the Wii?  I really don't think Wii sales affected those of the PS3 or the 360, they're not really competitors as they are going for completely different markets.

Yes, PS3 is still in 3rd place, but I don't think that matters. Ignoring the fact that its about to take 2nd place, it is roughly on par with the 360 in sales. This is an amazing feat considering it launched a year later, at a higher price, with poor launch games and weak online infrastructure. PS3 really was the underdog this gen and it has overcome so much. Sony did an excellent job at making sure the console didn't become a failure.

"PS3 really was the underdog this gen and it has overcome so much." .Spin. 

Nope. Facts. 

WTF... facts? Imagination maybe... Playstation Land reply.



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PureDante on 14 April 2013

Let's have a PS3 party!



All of this, of course, is just my opinion.

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VGKing on 14 April 2013
TimCliveroller said:
VGKing said:
TimCliveroller said:
VGKing said:
superchunk said:
PS3 is still 3rd place. To be a comeback it has to actually .... come back.

Seven years on market and its narrowed a 360 gap from about 7m to about 1m now.
Seven years on market and its narrowed a Wii gap from a peak of about 36m to 25m; 2007 (10m), 2008 (24m), 2009 (33m), 2010 (36m), 2011 (33m), 2012 (28/m).

So a console that was almost identical the PS3 gained less than 1m each year and a console that was 20x lower in power with NONE of the 3rd party AAA titles, PS3 only started to narrow the gap once that console effectively lost all support and is now replaced.

I don't consider that a comeback of anything. PS3 has always sold slightly more than 360 when you align launches and it'll never catch Wii. I guess if it takes 2nd eventually, you can call it a come back to 2nd place.

Why are you comparing it to the Wii?  I really don't think Wii sales affected those of the PS3 or the 360, they're not really competitors as they are going for completely different markets.

Yes, PS3 is still in 3rd place, but I don't think that matters. Ignoring the fact that its about to take 2nd place, it is roughly on par with the 360 in sales. This is an amazing feat considering it launched a year later, at a higher price, with poor launch games and weak online infrastructure. PS3 really was the underdog this gen and it has overcome so much. Sony did an excellent job at making sure the console didn't become a failure.

"PS3 really was the underdog this gen and it has overcome so much." .Spin. 

Nope. Facts. 

WTF... facts? Imagination maybe... Playstation Land reply.

That's what I thought. Reported.



brendude13 on 14 April 2013
Otakumegane said:
Where was it stated that Vita was being sold for a profit at $250?

Well they cut the price now so they should be selling at a loss.

According to Amazon, Vita is still $235.

And even then, are you saying that the PS Vita's production cost wouldn't have dropped $15 in over a year?



curtiswolf on 14 April 2013

actually if you look at the sales in Europe PS3 is actually 6 million units sold ahead.