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This is idiocy at a whole new level.

Shovelware follows the market leader around. It doesn't move consoles at all.



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snowwhiteeg said:
BlowoverKing said:
sethnintendo said:

PSP sold so well because of emulators. I'm sticking to this defense after seeing PSP's SW sales.  How else do explain a hand held that sold almost 80m in HW and doesn't even have 1 10m seller?

I highly doubt PSV trumps 3DS in quality seo egypt software.  Compare 3DS retail and eshop titles to PSV retail and eshop.  I believe 3DS trumps PSV.  PSV has some good games but apparently not too many people are noticing.


But the Vita has Persona 4 Golden therefore it's library is

 

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    better that the 3DS' by default! Haha Anyways I agree 3DS has more quality games but I do believe Vita has higher quality games just not enought to balance out.

     

    In regards to the OP I think your right that it needs a constant flow of games, good or bad. A GTA: SA Stories would really help the Vita sales too.



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    Mr Puggsly said:
    sethnintendo said:

    PSP sold so well because of emulators. I'm sticking to this defense after seeing PSP's SW sales.  How else do explain a hand held that sold almost 80m in HW and doesn't even have one 10m seller?

    I highly doubt PSV trumps 3DS in quality software.  Compare 3DS retail and eshop titles to PSV retail and eshop.  I believe 3DS trumps PSV.  PSV has some good games but apparently not too many people are noticing.

    I'd argue no PSP game sold 10 million units because the PSP lacked killer apps capable of achieving those numbers. The only games we see achieving those numbers on handheld platforms have massive casual appeal.

    Few console IPs even achieve 10 million sales. That's a dumb argument.

    Few console IPs do reach 10m besides a handful of 3rd party games, a couple Microsoft and Sony games and a bunch of Nintendo games.  Someone mentioned piracy (which was rampant on PSP but also DS).  That affected some sales but DS still managed 9 (probably eventually 10 with Super Mario 64) 10 million sellers.  Wii has 9 Nintendo published games over 10 million.  PS3 only has CoD titles over 10 and Microsoft managed Halo 3, Kinect Adventures along with GTA and CoDs.  Nintendo IPs apparently have more massive appeal than Microsoft and Sony IPs.



    sethnintendo said:

    PSP sold so well because of emulators. I'm sticking to this defense after seeing PSP's SW sales.  How else do explain a hand held that sold almost 80m in HW and doesn't even have one 10m seller?

    I highly doubt PSV trumps 3DS in quality software.  Compare 3DS retail and eshop titles to PSV retail and eshop.  I believe 3DS trumps PSV.  PSV has some good games but apparently not too many people are noticing.

    The way I see it is the other way around.  The PSP began to sell when it began to have great software.   And yeah none sold 10M, because the point of PS devices are more about variety, so they have great games that appeal to different userbase, instead of having 1 that appeals most gamers like a good COD, or mario game.

    Look at the PS3 for example, it is the best selling console weekly for years now, and it has the less quantity of games surpassing the 10M mark.

    I think that modding The PSP also helped in the sales (in the short run), because people bought it to play PSP games for free and not so much because of the emulation.   So even if it increased sales, later the PSP began going to hell because games began to sell a lot less, and thus publishers stopped supporting the console.   And that made people to stop buying the device because it did not had new great releases.   

    So the PSP had a boost in sales because of great games, price cuts and re-designs, but then it had another boost because of the hacking and modding; the problem is that after that the sales of the console and games went to $hit.  So even though modding help the device to sell more early on, it killed the device in the end.

    The problem with the PSVITA is that the PSP had that bad reputation among publisher for some years before the release of the PSVITA, and that is why most companies have the idea that their games do not sell on the Sony handhelds, and thus they are very "shy" to support the PSVITA.   And because they are not supporting it, it does not have good sales; being that another reason for not supporting the device.

    Sony needs to begin to develop great games with their 1st party studios, like they are doing now (Uncharted, gravity rush, LBP, SS, Tearaway, KZ:M, lots of great PSN titles), and try to convince some 3rd party publishers to release games for the VITA (and not so many indies), so that the sales of the PSVITA increase, and it begins to catch the interest of more companies. 

    The VITA has to have great software library, and when a big major AAA hit is about to be released they should do a price cut, so that it turns the tides completely.  The BIG game would entice people to notice the console, then they will search and see that the console has lots great games; and then BOOM! a price cut, and people will buy it.   So sales increase and more companies will begin to support the device.  But Sony needs to prevent hacking as much as it can, because if not it will have the same fate as the PSP, and will screw the next handheld they plan to release.



    ^Was a pretty good response. I pretty much agree with everything you stated.



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    sethnintendo said:
    the_dengle said:
    kupomogli said:

     As good as the DS and 3DS are, they have "A LOT" of shovelware and I think the Vita has a better library of good games than the 3DS has, but it has all that shovelware around giving the perceptive that it's getting more support, because it is.

    What I take away from this is that you think the 3DS is outselling the Vita because it has more shovelware.

    Oh boy.

    System leader always has more shovelware.  Check the NES, Gameboy, SNES/Genesis, PS1, PS2, DS, Wii, 3DS off on that.

    Nah. System leader always has THE BEST GAMES, those are the ones you should check on all those platforms, with the single exception of Wii of course, but everybody understands why, at the time the Wii happened to have the "best software for its target audience" and that was enough. Now if the Vita is targeted at the same audience as the 3DS, I'm not sure. Maybe it is, but it's not positioned that way, price doesn't help and lack of software doesn't help either. 



    mutantclown said:
    sethnintendo said:
    the_dengle said:
    kupomogli said:

     As good as the DS and 3DS are, they have "A LOT" of shovelware and I think the Vita has a better library of good games than the 3DS has, but it has all that shovelware around giving the perceptive that it's getting more support, because it is.

    What I take away from this is that you think the 3DS is outselling the Vita because it has more shovelware.

    Oh boy.

    System leader always has more shovelware.  Check the NES, Gameboy, SNES/Genesis, PS1, PS2, DS, Wii, 3DS off on that.

    Nah. System leader always has THE BEST GAMES, those are the ones you should check on all those platforms, with the single exception of Wii of course, but everybody understands why, at the time the Wii U happened to have the "best software for its target audience" and that was enough. Now if the Vita is targeted at the same audience as the 3DS, I'm not sure. Maybe it is, but it's not positioned that way, price doesn't help and lack of software doesn't help either. 


    I now see why the average consumer gets the Wii and Wii U so confused! 



    sethnintendo said:
    mutantclown said:
    sethnintendo said:
    the_dengle said:
    kupomogli said:

     As good as the DS and 3DS are, they have "A LOT" of shovelware and I think the Vita has a better library of good games than the 3DS has, but it has all that shovelware around giving the perceptive that it's getting more support, because it is.

    What I take away from this is that you think the 3DS is outselling the Vita because it has more shovelware.

    Oh boy.

    System leader always has more shovelware.  Check the NES, Gameboy, SNES/Genesis, PS1, PS2, DS, Wii, 3DS off on that.

    Nah. System leader always has THE BEST GAMES, those are the ones you should check on all those platforms, with the single exception of Wii of course, but everybody understands why, at the time the Wii U happened to have the "best software for its target audience" and that was enough. Now if the Vita is targeted at the same audience as the 3DS, I'm not sure. Maybe it is, but it's not positioned that way, price doesn't help and lack of software doesn't help either. 


    I now see why the average consumer gets the Wii and Wii U so confused! 


    That was just a typo...I see you didn't think of anything better for a reply...



    mutantclown said:
    sethnintendo said:
    mutantclown said:
    sethnintendo said:
    the_dengle said:
    kupomogli said:

     As good as the DS and 3DS are, they have "A LOT" of shovelware and I think the Vita has a better library of good games than the 3DS has, but it has all that shovelware around giving the perceptive that it's getting more support, because it is.

    What I take away from this is that you think the 3DS is outselling the Vita because it has more shovelware.

    Oh boy.

    System leader always has more shovelware.  Check the NES, Gameboy, SNES/Genesis, PS1, PS2, DS, Wii, 3DS off on that.

    Nah. System leader always has THE BEST GAMES, those are the ones you should check on all those platforms, with the single exception of Wii of course, but everybody understands why, at the time the Wii U happened to have the "best software for its target audience" and that was enough. Now if the Vita is targeted at the same audience as the 3DS, I'm not sure. Maybe it is, but it's not positioned that way, price doesn't help and lack of software doesn't help either. 


    I now see why the average consumer gets the Wii and Wii U so confused! 


    That was just a typo...I see you didn't think of anything better for a reply...

    I was just trying to make a failed joke.  There just wasn't too much I could add to your train of thought.  System leaders do have the best games.  The Wii wasn't really the exception like you stated because it had the best games for its target audience. 

    The problem I see with the Vita is that it promised console gaming experience on the go (Sony even advertised this in their ads).  Apparently, Uncharted was decently done (not too sure but probably so) but CoD was almost a complete failure.  It was a complete failure because a B team was put in charge of making a CoD game.  You then have Sony advertising console gaming on the go when at the same time most people see a very inferior product when compared to the console versions.  Sure some people enjoyed CoD on PSV but a majority saw it as a big disappointment.  Just like a few others stated previously.  Vita needs some A teams (especially Sony IPs).  There are good games on Vita but there are also games that were hyped to be the savoir and turned out to be a big disappointment.

    So in response to the op and thread.  CoD on PSV was shovelware and it barely moved any systems.



    I think the Vita will be fine in the long run. If it gets a price cut to maybe around 200$ and maybe be bundled with a memory stick, then it will start to sell much more. Maybe get Kojima to make another handheld Mgs or get Square Enix to produce something.