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Forums - Politics - Real or not, Jesus is the most influencial Human in history! If you deny that you are lying to yourself-

 

Most influencial?

Obama 10 3.82%
 
Greg Johnson 2 0.76%
 
Elvis 6 2.29%
 
Karl Marx 12 4.58%
 
Benji Franklin 5 1.91%
 
Jesus 140 53.44%
 
Shakespear 6 2.29%
 
Mel Gibson 11 4.20%
 
Islam God, do not want to... 25 9.54%
 
Other ( Post below fake internet friends!) 43 16.41%
 
Total:260
chriscox1121 said:
dsgrue3 said:
chriscox1121 said:

what documents are you referring to?

You want me to list all of the documents from the very first one ever discovered up until 30 AD?

I won't be doing that for obvious reasons.


I want you to list the documents that you think should have written about a man (Jesus) who existed in Palestine during the time of Jesus.

I wouldn't waste my time on him. He has also claimed there is no evidence that planes were involved in pentagon attacks in 9-11 and ignores even truther sites that admit it was a plane that hit the pentagon with tons of photos. He also claims there is no pictures of charred remains at the site because he refuses to do research (quick google search) of the photos released during the terrorists trial



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The thing I don't get about Religion haters is that often they try and minimize the life of Christ. Jesus Christ was remarkable. He promoted peace, love, foregiveness, selflessness, and hated the way religious laws were being abused. He also hated the combiniton of business and the Church when he stormed the money changers in the temple. He also told Christians not to wage war the way that the world does.  Jesus Christ is everything people seem to respect these days.

Don't hate Jesus.. hate the Christians who are giving him a bad name.



JakDaSnack said:

Sigh...your saying that every Jew believed that Zeus existed?  sorry, but YOUR argument is stupid.  Their was debate over just about every God during that time, but there was no debate over Christ existing(The fact that he was mentioned at all during the first 3 centuries is actually astonishing).  If you want to have your own opinion and say that because their is an absense of contemporary evidence during his ministry that therefor that is enough to doubt his existence, then that's fine.  But personally, I find that it you just think of it from a logical standpoint, that he would have had to exist.  But again this is my opinion.

What? How did Roman become Jew? Try and keep up here at least.

I said none of the Romans doubted the existence of their Gods. That doesn't make their Gods credible (obviously).

The rest is just suppositive and assumptive. 

You're welcome to your opinion, but you've failed to provide 1 piece of contemporary evidence. Speaks volumes really to any logical individual.



Max King of the Wild said:
chriscox1121 said:
dsgrue3 said:
chriscox1121 said:

what documents are you referring to?

You want me to list all of the documents from the very first one ever discovered up until 30 AD?

I won't be doing that for obvious reasons.


I want you to list the documents that you think should have written about a man (Jesus) who existed in Palestine during the time of Jesus.

I wouldn't waste my time on him. He has also claimed there is no evidence that planes were involved in pentagon attacks in 9-11 and ignores even truther sites that admit it was a plane that hit the pentagon with tons of photos. He also claims there is no pictures of charred remains at the site because he refuses to do research (quick google search) of the photos released during the terrorists trial

oh wow, really?  That explains a lot lol



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dsgrue3 said:
chriscox1121 said:

what ancient documents do we have that are first hand and not a later copy? 

How many times are you going to quote the same post and pose questions? Bit ridiculous.

Anyway, it isn't my job to do your research. I'll issue the same challenge to you as I have every other person in this thread - provide one example of contemporary evidence for Jesus. Just one will suffice. 

I'm trying to understand your logic.  The question is rhetorical.  




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I'm Chinese, so no, not even remotely close. The missionaries did good work spreading the religion though, I think the credit should go to those guys.



dsgrue3 said:
JakDaSnack said:

Sigh...your saying that every Jew believed that Zeus existed?  sorry, but YOUR argument is stupid.  Their was debate over just about every God during that time, but there was no debate over Christ existing(The fact that he was mentioned at all during the first 3 centuries is actually astonishing).  If you want to have your own opinion and say that because their is an absense of contemporary evidence during his ministry that therefor that is enough to doubt his existence, then that's fine.  But personally, I find that it you just think of it from a logical standpoint, that he would have had to exist.  But again this is my opinion.

What? How did Roman become Jew? Try and keep up here at least.

I said none of the Romans doubted the existence of their Gods. That doesn't make their Gods credible (obviously).

The rest is just suppositive and assumptive. 

You're welcome to your opinion, but you've failed to provide 1 piece of contemporary evidence. Speaks volumes really to any logical individual.

HAHAHAHA, wow, I really thought you had me there, but his is what you said

"Back in Roman times no one disagreed that Zeus existed. Your argument is stupid."

where in that sentence does it say "romans believed that zeus existed" it doesn't, you said "roman times" meaning that everyone during that time period belived that Zeus existed.  

haha, anyways, I never ever said I would try and provide contemporary evidence, you assumed that was what I was doing.

I completely agree that there is no contemporary evidence, but what I don't agree with is that there "should" be, or that the evidence that their is, DOESNT prove the existence of Jesus.

Remember, Jesus was a carpenter, how many ordinary carpenters were recorded in history?  The only time period that anythign would have been recorded was during his 3 year ministry, now tell me, do the research, find out "who" should have recorded anything, and if you do this, then we can continue.



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chriscox1121 said:

LOL, Constantine did not organize the bible to be written.

Sure?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifty_Bibles_of_Constantine

L2research. 

 

chriscox1121 said:

define created christianity.  Taken at face value, you couldn't be more wrong.


The entire moral workings are known to share similarities with Plato's transendental ideas. "At face value" means fuck all considering how warped Christianity has become (Council of Nicea). 



The most influencial? Maybe. Most famous person in history? Without a doubt.

I think it depends on the person how much influence Jezus hade on their lives. For me a lot of people have made a bigger impact on my life: Arnold Schwarzenegger, Shigeru Miyamoto, Michael Schumacher and even people like Adolf Hitler have influenced me much more than Jezus, being in a good or bad way.

But if we really looking at a person's personal life, their parents, brothers, sisters or partners will probably have hade a bigger influence.



chriscox1121 said:
dsgrue3 said:

How many times are you going to quote the same post and pose questions? Bit ridiculous.

Anyway, it isn't my job to do your research. I'll issue the same challenge to you as I have every other person in this thread - provide one example of contemporary evidence for Jesus. Just one will suffice. 

I'm trying to understand your logic.  The question is rhetorical.  

Ah. Well say what you mean then if you wish to accomplish something specific. In this case, yes I would expect contemporary evidence as the means to justify this particular claim. Certainly not all claims can be confined as such, but this one requires witnesses and such. None of these witnesses wrote of the event. That I find to be quite amazing. 

JakDaSnack said:

HAHAHAHA, wow, I really thought you had me there, but his is what you said

"Back in Roman times no one disagreed that Zeus existed. Your argument is stupid."

where in that sentence does it say "romans believed that zeus existed" it doesn't, you said "roman times" meaning that everyone during that time period belived that Zeus existed.  

haha, anyways, I never ever said I would try and provide contemporary evidence, you assumed that was what I was doing.

I completely agree that there is no contemporary evidence, but what I don't agree with is that there "should" be, or that the evidence that their is, DOESNT prove the existence of Jesus.

Remember, Jesus was a carpenter, how many ordinary carpenters were recorded in history?  The only time period that anythign would have been recorded was during his 3 year ministry, now tell me, do the research, find out "who" should have recorded anything, and if you do this, then we can continue.

What does Roman times mean to you in regards to theism? ROMAN GODS. I don't care to debate semantics.

I didn't assume anything. I simply challenged you to do so, which you failed to do. No contemporary evidence, no proof. Simple. Issuing a challenge after you've lost a debate is pure lunacy. I think we have completed this discussion.