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Jaywood2010 on 10 April 2013
wilco said:
Wright said:
CGI-Quality said:

I agree with him about Judgment. Very "Bulletstorm-ish". Gears 2, won't say much, except that it was, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the worst in the series for me, both multiplayer and the campaign. Awful.

While, Gears 3 is complementary to Gears 1, Epic may never again capture the meaty, competitive feel of the original. My favorite shooter, by far. Both the 360 & PC versions!


I thought of you today, actually. I've achieved "Don't hate the player" (Being 1st in a ranked match) in my second attempt playing online with the first Gears. I found it kind of impressive that a game made in 2006 has still a solid community playing it.

 

And yes, Gears of war 2 was undoubtely a good game, but it is the black sheep of the trilogy.


Gears 2 is the black sheep? Check Vgchartz, its the best selling. Only bandwagon hoppers on the internet speak that nonsense. The only problem was the multiplayer was broken for quite sometime. Other than that it was by far the most solid entry in the series.


It was still a great game no doubt.  The only problem was the multiplayer and it is a pretty universal complaint.  The sales are better but it was running from the hype of Gears of War 1 plus it had many new adopters to the series.  Gears 3 wasn't running off of the massive hype that Gears 1 gave gears 2.  Also Gears 3 was battleing games like Call of Duty by this time which has been stronger than ever.




       

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Wright on 10 April 2013
wilco said:
Wright said:
CGI-Quality said:

I agree with him about Judgment. Very "Bulletstorm-ish". Gears 2, won't say much, except that it was, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the worst in the series for me, both multiplayer and the campaign. Awful.

While, Gears 3 is complementary to Gears 1, Epic may never again capture the meaty, competitive feel of the original. My favorite shooter, by far. Both the 360 & PC versions!


I thought of you today, actually. I've achieved "Don't hate the player" (Being 1st in a ranked match) in my second attempt playing online with the first Gears. I found it kind of impressive that a game made in 2006 has still a solid community playing it.

 

And yes, Gears of war 2 was undoubtely a good game, but it is the black sheep of the trilogy.


Gears 2 is the black sheep? Check Vgchartz, its the best selling. Only bandwagon hoppers on the internet speak that nonsense. The only problem was the multiplayer was broken for quite sometime. Other than that it was by far the most solid entry in the series.


*Checks Vgchartz*

My god! Kinect Adventures! is the first game in the Xbox 360 Database, guess that if I follow your logic of sales = quality, then it's the best Xbox 360 game out there in the market.

Gears of war 2 is the worst entry in the franchise. But that's also my opinion (Learn to respect others opinions before calling me a bandwagon hopper, although I'll give you kudos for coming up with such something original =P). You can say "Well, no, for me 2nd is the best one", but don't use the flawed "sales" argument, please.



wilco on 10 April 2013
JayWood2010 said:
CGI-Quality said:
JayWood2010 said:
wilco said:
Wright said:
wilco said:

Series went downhill since gears 3. Even though gears 3 is supposedly made by Epic I can see people can fly's influence all over that game. That game abandoned the atmosphere of previous gears in favor of arcadey gameplay and now they've taken it even further with gears J. I shudder to think what gears 4 will be like.


I also don't get why you like grenades being thrown with one button. It was never that difficult in the previous gears to switch to nades and quick toss with a tap of RT. Mapping nades to the bumper just encourages spamming. That was not a change for the better, it feels like they are trying to mimick uncharted which is just sad. I can't think of any change they made that improved the game.


Gears 3 was the best game in my opinion. The Locust war ended in Gears of War 2, they switched perfectly to the Lambent menace. I never saw the problem in it, regarding atmosphere. The story is by far the best (Except for letting one or two important things unexplained) and the game was solid. It was Epic's; I never saw any sign of "Bulletstorm" influence.


You didn't see bulletstorm's influence? Just look at the arcadey nature of the game, you shoot enemeies and points come out, ribbons pop up every time your character sneezes. The game even had a move that looked like it came straight from bulletstorm (bag and tag). Not to mention the overall silly cartoonish vibe of the whole game.

The story in gears 3 could and should have been great but epic dropped the ball on that too. There were just too many cringe worthy moments.


lol Have you played Gears before? 

Gears 1 was dark and new. Biggest problem was the multiplayer's lag yet people loved it still.  Gnasher, Sniper, Torque, and Boomshot was OP and everything else sucked.  Double melees, two-piece, active snipe, host advantage, crab walking, ninja flips, etc.  Many problem.

Gears 2 campain lost the dark feeling but replaced it with a more personal experience  and horde mode was added.  Multiplayer lost what made it good in the first place.  A huge mess upon release.

Gears 3 continued the personal experience of gears 2's campaign.  The multiplayer was the best overall experience by far.  Biggest problems became Retro Lancer and Sawed Off.  Sawed off got a huge nerf though.  Cliffy B since then has stated he regrets putting it in the game.

Gears: J I will not comment about it sense i have yet to play it but by arcadey it sure didnt follow Gears 3.  Gears has always been about skilled gameplay just like Halo.  Because of this they are popular, they may not be as popular as call of duty where everybody can jump in and play but they have been constantly one of the most popular online games. 

I agree with him about Judgment. Very "Bulletstorm-ish". Gears 2, won't say much, except that it was, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the worst in the series for me, both multiplayer and the campaign. Awful.

While, Gears 3 is complementary to Gears 1, Epic may never again capture the meaty, competitive feel of the original. My favorite shooter, by far. Both the 360 & PC versions!


I'm a little confused by this point to be honest.  Maybe I read him wrong but was he saying Gears 3 is arcadey because that is how I read it?  He also stated that they dropped the ball with Gears 3's campaign.  IT was a great campaign.  They however left a few questions unansweredd though which was dissappointing but overall a great story.

 

How can you play gears 3 and think its a compliment to gears 1? Gears 2 was the real compliment to gears 1, but it had a bad launch and since then everybody just hopped on the hate bandwagon. Looking at it objectively it added a lot of great things to the series. Gears 3 only added crappy things to the series such as sawed off and retro.

Additions in gears 2:

Horde

Guardian

Wingman

Meatshields

Great Maps (Worst map in 2 still better than best map in 3)

Ink

Mortar

Scorcher

air bouncing

.....Those were useful additions that didn't break the game unlike sawed off and retro.



wilco on 10 April 2013
JayWood2010 said:
wilco said:
Wright said:
CGI-Quality said:

I agree with him about Judgment. Very "Bulletstorm-ish". Gears 2, won't say much, except that it was, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the worst in the series for me, both multiplayer and the campaign. Awful.

While, Gears 3 is complementary to Gears 1, Epic may never again capture the meaty, competitive feel of the original. My favorite shooter, by far. Both the 360 & PC versions!


I thought of you today, actually. I've achieved "Don't hate the player" (Being 1st in a ranked match) in my second attempt playing online with the first Gears. I found it kind of impressive that a game made in 2006 has still a solid community playing it.

 

And yes, Gears of war 2 was undoubtely a good game, but it is the black sheep of the trilogy.


Gears 2 is the black sheep? Check Vgchartz, its the best selling. Only bandwagon hoppers on the internet speak that nonsense. The only problem was the multiplayer was broken for quite sometime. Other than that it was by far the most solid entry in the series.


It was still a great game no doubt.  The only problem was the multiplayer and it is a pretty universal complaint.  The sales are better but it was running from the hype of Gears of War 1 plus it had many new adopters to the series.  Gears 3 wasn't running off of the massive hype that Gears 1 gave gears 2.  Also Gears 3 was battleing games like Call of Duty by this time which has been stronger than ever.

If your logic were correct then gears 3 would have had a weaker first week than gears 2. Check vgchartz again. It had a much bigger first week than gears 3, it then proceeded to fall off when people realized it was crap.

Gears 2 also came out in one of the biggest years for gaming so don't try to play the too much competition card. Modern Warfare, Halo 3 and GTA IV were all out in 2008.



wilco on 10 April 2013
Wright said:
wilco said:
Wright said:
CGI-Quality said:

I agree with him about Judgment. Very "Bulletstorm-ish". Gears 2, won't say much, except that it was, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the worst in the series for me, both multiplayer and the campaign. Awful.

While, Gears 3 is complementary to Gears 1, Epic may never again capture the meaty, competitive feel of the original. My favorite shooter, by far. Both the 360 & PC versions!


I thought of you today, actually. I've achieved "Don't hate the player" (Being 1st in a ranked match) in my second attempt playing online with the first Gears. I found it kind of impressive that a game made in 2006 has still a solid community playing it.

 

And yes, Gears of war 2 was undoubtely a good game, but it is the black sheep of the trilogy.


Gears 2 is the black sheep? Check Vgchartz, its the best selling. Only bandwagon hoppers on the internet speak that nonsense. The only problem was the multiplayer was broken for quite sometime. Other than that it was by far the most solid entry in the series.


*Checks Vgchartz*

My god! Kinect Adventures! is the first game in the Xbox 360 Database, guess that if I follow your logic of sales = quality, then it's the best Xbox 360 game out there in the market.

Gears of war 2 is the worst entry in the franchise. But that's also my opinion (Learn to respect others opinions before calling me a bandwagon hopper, although I'll give you kudos for coming up with such something original =P). You can say "Well, no, for me 2nd is the best one", but don't use the flawed "sales" argument, please.


Nice straw man.

I never equated sales to quality. I was simply pointing out that black sheep and best selling don't really go together. The gears 2 = black sheep perception is an internet phenomenon. Similar to the people who think call of duty is the most hated game on the planet.



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Wright on 10 April 2013
wilco said:
Wright said:
wilco said:
Wright said:
CGI-Quality said:

I agree with him about Judgment. Very "Bulletstorm-ish". Gears 2, won't say much, except that it was, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the worst in the series for me, both multiplayer and the campaign. Awful.

While, Gears 3 is complementary to Gears 1, Epic may never again capture the meaty, competitive feel of the original. My favorite shooter, by far. Both the 360 & PC versions!


I thought of you today, actually. I've achieved "Don't hate the player" (Being 1st in a ranked match) in my second attempt playing online with the first Gears. I found it kind of impressive that a game made in 2006 has still a solid community playing it.

 

And yes, Gears of war 2 was undoubtely a good game, but it is the black sheep of the trilogy.


Gears 2 is the black sheep? Check Vgchartz, its the best selling. Only bandwagon hoppers on the internet speak that nonsense. The only problem was the multiplayer was broken for quite sometime. Other than that it was by far the most solid entry in the series.


*Checks Vgchartz*

My god! Kinect Adventures! is the first game in the Xbox 360 Database, guess that if I follow your logic of sales = quality, then it's the best Xbox 360 game out there in the market.

Gears of war 2 is the worst entry in the franchise. But that's also my opinion (Learn to respect others opinions before calling me a bandwagon hopper, although I'll give you kudos for coming up with such something original =P). You can say "Well, no, for me 2nd is the best one", but don't use the flawed "sales" argument, please.


Nice straw man.

I never equated sales to quality. I was simply pointing out that black sheep and best selling don't really go together. The gears 2 = black sheep perception is an internet phenomenon. Similar to the people who think call of duty is the most hated game on the planet.


Gears of war 2 is the black sheep of the trilogy REGARDING QUALITY. Just like a lot of people think that Metal Gear Solid 2 is the black sheep of the Metal Gear saga, even though it is the one that got more sales.



wilco on 10 April 2013

If thats how your using the term black sheep then your using it wrong.

Gears 1 was just as buggy and laggy as gears 2 (if not more so) but it is forgiven because it was groundbreaking and new.


Still I love both gears 1 and 2. Its 3 and judgement that dropped the ball. It doesn't matter if they are the most polished games ever, they just don't feel like gears.



Wright on 10 April 2013
wilco said:

If thats how your using the term black sheep then your using it wrong.

Gears 1 was just as buggy and laggy as gears 2 (if not more so) but it is forgiven because it was groundbreaking and new.


Still I love both gears 1 and 2. Its 3 and judgement that dropped the ball. It doesn't matter if they are the most polished games ever, they just don't feel like gears.


But that's your opinion. I respect it though.



Jaywood2010 on 10 April 2013
wilco said:
JayWood2010 said:
wilco said:
Wright said:
CGI-Quality said:

I agree with him about Judgment. Very "Bulletstorm-ish". Gears 2, won't say much, except that it was, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the worst in the series for me, both multiplayer and the campaign. Awful.

While, Gears 3 is complementary to Gears 1, Epic may never again capture the meaty, competitive feel of the original. My favorite shooter, by far. Both the 360 & PC versions!


I thought of you today, actually. I've achieved "Don't hate the player" (Being 1st in a ranked match) in my second attempt playing online with the first Gears. I found it kind of impressive that a game made in 2006 has still a solid community playing it.

 

And yes, Gears of war 2 was undoubtely a good game, but it is the black sheep of the trilogy.


Gears 2 is the black sheep? Check Vgchartz, its the best selling. Only bandwagon hoppers on the internet speak that nonsense. The only problem was the multiplayer was broken for quite sometime. Other than that it was by far the most solid entry in the series.


It was still a great game no doubt.  The only problem was the multiplayer and it is a pretty universal complaint.  The sales are better but it was running from the hype of Gears of War 1 plus it had many new adopters to the series.  Gears 3 wasn't running off of the massive hype that Gears 1 gave gears 2.  Also Gears 3 was battleing games like Call of Duty by this time which has been stronger than ever.

If your logic were correct then gears 3 would have had a weaker first week than gears 2. Check vgchartz again. It had a much bigger first week than gears 3, it then proceeded to fall off when people realized it was crap.

Gears 2 also came out in one of the biggest years for gaming so don't try to play the too much competition card. Modern Warfare, Halo 3 and GTA IV were all out in 2008.


It had the bigger first week doesnt really show much in terms of lifetime sales.

As for those numbers for Halo 3 and Moder Warfare.  Call of Duy is more popular today than what it was 5 years ago.  GTAIV released early 2008 where as Gears 2 i believe released on November 11th 2008. 

Disregarding that Gears 2 disappointed many of the early adopters which was the hardcore fans of Gears.  that was what my statement was.  A lot of those people never returned to the series again.

I'm glad you liked Gears 2, but the original statement as it being a mess on launch still stands and many hardcore gears fans, me included will say that.




       

wilco on 10 April 2013
JayWood2010 said:
wilco said:
JayWood2010 said:
wilco said:
Wright said:
CGI-Quality said:

I agree with him about Judgment. Very "Bulletstorm-ish". Gears 2, won't say much, except that it was, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the worst in the series for me, both multiplayer and the campaign. Awful.

While, Gears 3 is complementary to Gears 1, Epic may never again capture the meaty, competitive feel of the original. My favorite shooter, by far. Both the 360 & PC versions!


I thought of you today, actually. I've achieved "Don't hate the player" (Being 1st in a ranked match) in my second attempt playing online with the first Gears. I found it kind of impressive that a game made in 2006 has still a solid community playing it.

 

And yes, Gears of war 2 was undoubtely a good game, but it is the black sheep of the trilogy.


Gears 2 is the black sheep? Check Vgchartz, its the best selling. Only bandwagon hoppers on the internet speak that nonsense. The only problem was the multiplayer was broken for quite sometime. Other than that it was by far the most solid entry in the series.


It was still a great game no doubt.  The only problem was the multiplayer and it is a pretty universal complaint.  The sales are better but it was running from the hype of Gears of War 1 plus it had many new adopters to the series.  Gears 3 wasn't running off of the massive hype that Gears 1 gave gears 2.  Also Gears 3 was battleing games like Call of Duty by this time which has been stronger than ever.

If your logic were correct then gears 3 would have had a weaker first week than gears 2. Check vgchartz again. It had a much bigger first week than gears 3, it then proceeded to fall off when people realized it was crap.

Gears 2 also came out in one of the biggest years for gaming so don't try to play the too much competition card. Modern Warfare, Halo 3 and GTA IV were all out in 2008.


It had the bigger first week doesnt really show much in terms of lifetime sales.

As for those numbers for Halo 3 and Moder Warfare.  Call of Duy is more popular today than what it was 5 years ago.  GTAIV released early 2008 where as Gears 2 i believe released on November 11th 2008. 

Disregarding that Gears 2 disappointed many of the early adopters which was the hardcore fans of Gears.  that was what my statement was.  A lot of those people never returned to the series again.

I'm glad you liked Gears 2, but the original statement as it being a mess on launch still stands and many hardcore gears fans, me included will say that.

I can agree with that. There is no denying that it was a mess on launch day, thats a fact but what I hate and what I don't understand is the people who act as though its multiplayer was fundamentally bad. And when I say fundamentally bad I mean were there things in the multiplayer that were so terrible that they couldn't be fixed with a patch? No, not really.

The reality is, if you throw a couple patches at gears 2 it is basically identical to gears 1. The assets didn't change, the character models didn't change. Gears of War 2 could have been universally praised if not for its messed up launch.

The problem with 3 is that in many ways it really does try to reinvent the wheel. Everything changed, the character models, the art direction, even the gore engine. 3 has issues that go deeper than fixing with a patch. The maps were badly designed and weapons like the sawed off and retro aren't thing you can just get rid of. 3 fundamentally changed the series in a way that 2 never attempted but even then its sins are nothing compared to judgement. Judgement is completely beyond fixing. The control scheme has changed and everything about the game has been carefully and deliberately designed to play like a so called "fast paced" FPS. Judgement is rotten to the core! Epic is doing everything they can to move the series away from the deliberate methodical feel of previous titles to the tired old kill/spawn cylcle of every other mediocre shooter on the market and its a damn shame.