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considering the variables, is ps3 more successful than 360?

Numbers are Numbers, 360 is doing better. 134 19.12%
 
Considering the variables... 512 73.04%
 
These Variables shouldn'... 26 3.71%
 
Other, please specify! 29 4.14%
 
Total:701
hadlee73 on 26 March 2013

Xbox 360 has done well in America, but the PlayStation brand still dominates over the majority of the world (if my country is anything to go by, this is because Microsoft don't really put as much effort into marketing the Xbox brand outside of the USA. I can't say I've ever seen an Xbox ad here). And considering how close the overall sales of both consoles are right now, and the fact that Xbox 360 had a year head start in retail availability, and I'd have to tip my hat to the PS3.

Of course, none of this necessarily reflects the success of the actual games divisions of either company. Sony may not be as successful monetarily as they threw quite a bit of R&D money at chasing portable gaming.



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Mazty on 26 March 2013
walsufnir said:
Mazty said:

What a compelling argument. Do you appreciate the irony that you are trying to criticise the validity of a source of evidence and yet your agument is "er no"? If you can't justify your point, don't make one ;)

Thing is that you had to justify your point and it turned out your argument was based on an arbitrary survey from an arbitrary magazine. If you take this for real we can use all future polls here on this site as a representative survey.

Learn what arbitrary means:

ar·bi·trar·y  

/ˈärbiˌtrerē/ 
Adjective
  1. Based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system

There is nothing arbitrary with the survey that was done. 5000 gamers is a wide, relevant source of information. If you don't understand how analysis works, please don't talk about it. 


J_Allard on 27 March 2013

A warranty firm did a survey on over 15,000 consoles it directly serviced and put the failure rate at 24%. A far, far cry from the 54% or whatever the Game Informer poll showed. And of course, these were early consoles. They released this survey in 2009. They also did tests on 500 consoles bought in 2009 and 1% got the RROD.

It's a silly conspiracy theory.



Mazty on 27 March 2013
J_Allard said:
A warranty firm did a survey on over 15,000 consoles it directly serviced and put the failure rate at 24%. A far, far cry from the 54% or whatever the Game Informer poll showed. And of course, these were early consoles. They released this survey in 2009. They also did tests on 500 consoles bought in 2009 and 1% got the RROD.

It's a silly conspiracy theory.


Lolwut....

Links or are you being needlessly sarcastic?



J_Allard on 27 March 2013
Mazty said:
J_Allard said:
A warranty firm did a survey on over 15,000 consoles it directly serviced and put the failure rate at 24%. A far, far cry from the 54% or whatever the Game Informer poll showed. And of course, these were early consoles. They released this survey in 2009. They also did tests on 500 consoles bought in 2009 and 1% got the RROD.

It's a silly conspiracy theory.


Lolwut....

Links or are you being needlessly sarcastic?


http://www.squaretrade.com/htm/pdf/SquareTrade_Xbox360_PS3_Wii_Reliability_0809.pdf



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Mazty on 27 March 2013
J_Allard said:
Mazty said:
J_Allard said:
A warranty firm did a survey on over 15,000 consoles it directly serviced and put the failure rate at 24%. A far, far cry from the 54% or whatever the Game Informer poll showed. And of course, these were early consoles. They released this survey in 2009. They also did tests on 500 consoles bought in 2009 and 1% got the RROD.

It's a silly conspiracy theory.


Lolwut....

Links or are you being needlessly sarcastic?


http://www.squaretrade.com/htm/pdf/SquareTrade_Xbox360_PS3_Wii_Reliability_0809.pdf

Very interesting although two things:

1) "Microsoft’s policy may result in an underreporting of failures by Xbox 360 owners to SquareTrade, relative to the other two consoles. Because the RROD problem is so widely known to be covered by Microsoft’s warranty, we believe that more customers bypass SquareTrade and reported failures directly to the Microsoft. In a survey of SquareTrade customers with Xbox 360s conducted by email, SquareTrade found that over half of our customers who experienced a RROD error reported their problem directly to Microsoft without contacting SquareTrade."

2) MS Warranty extends for a year past SquareTrades own warranty, meaning that many failures could go unreported. 

Still, by all means, I think it's safe to assume a failure rate somewhere inbetween 25-50% which is still fucking terrible to be blunt. Nevertheless good find by you.



slowmo on 27 March 2013
Mazty said:
walsufnir said:

Where do you get this from?
slowmo said:
walsufnir said:
Mazty said:

Made more money? Really? How much did fixing the RROD cost exactly? Considering it's failure rate was around the region of ~50%, that would cost a shit load.


Where do you get this from?


Thin air because nobody knows the actual figure.  No point bringing facts into a debate on VG Chartz though is there lol

 


http://kotaku.com/5339555/report-xbox-360-failure-rate-over-50-percent

 


5000 gamers and not remotely scientific, but if that's your evidence, simply LOL



slowmo on 27 March 2013
drkohler said:
slowmo said:
walsufnir said:
Mazty said:

Made more money? Really? How much did fixing the RROD cost exactly? Considering it's failure rate was around the region of ~50%, that would cost a shit load.


Where do you get this from?


Thin air because nobody knows the actual figure.  No point bringing facts into a debate on VG Chartz though is there lol

Indeed, but we can at least guesstimate the losses from "normal industry behaviour". And we should define what we mean by "losses".

We know that MS had an ADDITIONAL (emphasis required) 1.2billion charged to rrod in a fy report, so we can conclude that losses (true losses) are anywhere from 1.3-?billions. Incidentally we know from that guy that once posted - and then got lawsuited the hell out of him - that the initial run of Xboxes were 100% doa) Then we have the losses from Kinect (which mostly are NOT true losses) probably around 0.5-1billion. On the PS3 side we have about 3billion losses over blu-ray (probably half are NOT true losses) and cell R&D (which was split into three companies). So my guess is both company lost about the same amount of money in true losses (meaning this was money not related to "real product development").


I've not got time to trawl the figures up but most estimates put the losses for the PS3 in the region of 5 billion and the 360 this generation at a loss of around 1 billion.  They really aren't similar in losses this generation and the 360 figure is horribly skewed being in the same division as some unsuccessful hardware such as Zune and Surface that have likely made zero profit.  Sony have lost several billion more and have not had those losses offset by success in other areas of the business.

The problem I have with Mazty's made up figure is that the failure rate dropped sharply with each new revision of the GPU and CPU.  If and that is a massive IF there was a rate of around 50% it affected around only 3-5 million consoles before the first GPU revision occured.  Before we got to 20 million units sold the Falcon chipset was released which pretty much brought the failure rate in line with the PS3.  It's highly unlikely the RROD situation cost much more than the 1 billion Microsoft set aside for the extra warranty cost.  The biggest cost of RROD is it robbed them of the chance to win this gen.



slowmo on 27 March 2013
Mazty said:
J_Allard said:
Mazty said:
J_Allard said:
A warranty firm did a survey on over 15,000 consoles it directly serviced and put the failure rate at 24%. A far, far cry from the 54% or whatever the Game Informer poll showed. And of course, these were early consoles. They released this survey in 2009. They also did tests on 500 consoles bought in 2009 and 1% got the RROD.

It's a silly conspiracy theory.


Lolwut....

Links or are you being needlessly sarcastic?


http://www.squaretrade.com/htm/pdf/SquareTrade_Xbox360_PS3_Wii_Reliability_0809.pdf

Very interesting although two things:

1) "Microsoft’s policy may result in an underreporting of failures by Xbox 360 owners to SquareTrade, relative to the other two consoles. Because the RROD problem is so widely known to be covered by Microsoft’s warranty, we believe that more customers bypass SquareTrade and reported failures directly to the Microsoft. In a survey of SquareTrade customers with Xbox 360s conducted by email, SquareTrade found that over half of our customers who experienced a RROD error reported their problem directly to Microsoft without contacting SquareTrade."

2) MS Warranty extends for a year past SquareTrades own warranty, meaning that many failures could go unreported. 

Still, by all means, I think it's safe to assume a failure rate somewhere inbetween 25-50% which is still fucking terrible to be blunt. Nevertheless good find by you.

Right, so a scientific survey with good analysis gets criticism by you, while your "survey" got a free pass because it suited your agenda?  I think you've shown your true colours once again.



J_Allard on 27 March 2013
Mazty said:
J_Allard said:
Mazty said:
J_Allard said:
A warranty firm did a survey on over 15,000 consoles it directly serviced and put the failure rate at 24%. A far, far cry from the 54% or whatever the Game Informer poll showed. And of course, these were early consoles. They released this survey in 2009. They also did tests on 500 consoles bought in 2009 and 1% got the RROD.

It's a silly conspiracy theory.


Lolwut....

Links or are you being needlessly sarcastic?


http://www.squaretrade.com/htm/pdf/SquareTrade_Xbox360_PS3_Wii_Reliability_0809.pdf

Very interesting although two things:

1) "Microsoft’s policy may result in an underreporting of failures by Xbox 360 owners to SquareTrade, relative to the other two consoles. Because the RROD problem is so widely known to be covered by Microsoft’s warranty, we believe that more customers bypass SquareTrade and reported failures directly to the Microsoft. In a survey of SquareTrade customers with Xbox 360s conducted by email, SquareTrade found that over half of our customers who experienced a RROD error reported their problem directly to Microsoft without contacting SquareTrade."

2) MS Warranty extends for a year past SquareTrades own warranty, meaning that many failures could go unreported. 

Still, by all means, I think it's safe to assume a failure rate somewhere inbetween 25-50% which is still fucking terrible to be blunt. Nevertheless good find by you.

lol no.. the link proves that not to be a safe assumption. Also remember the failure rates are only "high" for early models. For most of this generation, this has not been an issue.

50% LOL