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Wii U seems to have a lot of the same kind of niche games similar to those found on Gamecube (Wind Waker, Wonderful 101, Bayonetta, Pikmin 3, etc), but also has some that are similar to those on Wii (Wii Fit, Just Dance, Mario Kart). Because of this, I think sales will fall in the middle of the two consoles, so around 50-60 million.



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curl-6 said:
Gamecube's library tends to be highly overrated by the Nintendo fans, I find.
Wind Waker and Sunshine were weak for their respective franchises, and along with Starfox Adventures, Double Dash, and Jungle Beat, they made weird design choices that repelled fans.
And yet its first party hits still took it from Dreamcast status to surviving the generation and turning a profit.

I thought nintendo fans hated those games you listed for changing it up, but I agree I think those games fell below expectations even tho Wind Waker was one of the highest rated Zelda games they were expecting the Zelda tech demo and got a kiddy style game.



 

phenom08 said:
VGKing said:

When has a Wii game ever relied on graphics or innovation to sell? Look at SSBB that game is just the sequel to Melee but with differenc characters and some supers. Hardly any innovation yet it sold millions.

Do you think Mario Kart U will offer a gigantic leap over Mario Kart Wii to make people buy the $300 Wii U?
Zelda isn't anywhere near being done either so do you think the remake of the Gamecube Zelda will push systems? I don't.

Just like NSMBU is too similar to NSMBWII, so will every other Nintendo title released this year and the next will be. What Nintendo is new IP. It needs the next Wii Sports or the next Zelda or Mario. Pikmin isn't it. Wii Fit U won't have the same effect as on the original.

It's an uphill battle for Nintendo and I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel. Instead of enjoying the first year on the market without competition they are struggling to communicate to people that the Wii U isn't just an add-on for the Wii.


So Vgking which do you think will sell the most this December? PS4 or 720 or WiiU? Its funny seeing you guys doom WiiU but none of you have yet to say which will beat it. This is how I know there are so many here still butthurt, your obsession with WiiU is hilarious really. When it sells the most this holiday you will just disappear, like you did when you were wrong about Vita beating Wii lol.

I have no idea how Wii U will be selling this December. There too many unkown factors such as what games Nintendo will release and if they do a price cut and how much money they spend on marketing. Predicting Wii U sales so many months in advance is impossible and that makes predicting PS4 or XBox 720 sales even more impossible. We have no idea what kind of demand there will be for these next-gen consoles. Feel free to reply when your ban is over.



D-Minaj225 said:
curl-6 said:
Gamecube's library tends to be highly overrated by the Nintendo fans, I find.
Wind Waker and Sunshine were weak for their respective franchises, and along with Starfox Adventures, Double Dash, and Jungle Beat, they made weird design choices that repelled fans.
And yet its first party hits still took it from Dreamcast status to surviving the generation and turning a profit.

I thought nintendo fans hated those games you listed for changing it up, but I agree I think those games fell below expectations even tho Wind Waker was one of the highest rated Zelda games they were expecting the Zelda tech demo and got a kiddy style game.

That's what I meant by "weird design choices," they put changes into each that many fans didn't want; cartoon graphics for Zelda, a waterpack for Mario, two characters per kart in double dash, drum controls in Jungle Beat, on-foot Zelda-lite gameplay for Starfox, etc.



TheLastStarFighter said:
Scisca said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
Lol, I don't know who hates me more for this thread. Sony fans who want to say Wii U is the next Gamecube or Nintendo fans who want to say there was nothing wrong with Gamecube. LMAO!

Hasn't it occured to you yet that you are simply wrong and no personal bias of other users can affect that? I think it speaks volumes.


Absolutely not.  Not a single person has made a letitimate argument to say that Wii U is anything like Gamecube.  Nintendo fans have said gamecube is great and it's games were great and I"m mean and shallow.  Sony fans have said Wii U sucks and it's not going to sell and it's a flawed system.  But no one has shown that Wii U's philosophy or it's exclusive games are like Gamecube's games.  The systems, the launch situation, the strategy, everything about the systems are polar oposites.  The results may or may not be the same, but the systems are completely different from each other, and no one has shown otherwise.  They have just bashed Wii U and it's chances or bashed my shallow view on gamecube.

Some of the posts on this thread from both sides are quite rational and spark good discussion.  Others, like your's, are just blinded by fandom and add no value at all.

If the Gamecube and the Wii had a baby, that would be the Wii U. It still has time to become more like its dad but it I can see it becoming more like his mom.



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I like how the OP says not to compare Wii U to GC, and then goes on to make some ridiculous comparisons between the two consoles like saying that the GC's 1st party lineup was way worse than the Wii's and it did not help sell systems for the GC the way it did for the Wii.

Newsflash... the vast majority of people who bought a Wii did so because it was the trendy must-have item for the first 2-1/2 years or so of its life, and they never owned a videogame console before (except maybe going back to the days of Atari and old-school NES). This is why Nintendo's 1st party lineup had such strong sales... because the vast majority of Wii owners all bought the same games, with a handful of trendy 3rd party games sprinkled in like Carnival Games (a party / mini game) and Just Dance and Guitar Hero (music / plastic instrument games).

GameCube was targeted at an existing videogame-playing userbase that was becoming increasingly splintered thanks to increased competition from Sony and M$ and the absence of previous industry stalwart SEGA, and while the GC enjoyed a pretty rich and diverse lineup overall, it couldn't shake its "kiddy" image, nor could it keep up with the 3rd party exclusives that Sony continued to receive by default, nor the trend towards online multiplayer that M$ took full advantage of with the Xbox and its PC-like gaming experience.

Now the reason that the Wii U is selling so poorly is a combination of lack of software coupled with the fact that neither the casual / expanded market that flocked to the Wii this past gen nor the long-time "core" gaming market seem very interested in it because the system tries to hard (and fails IMO) to strike a good balance between the two.

Edit:  Also... GC is the most underrated console of all time, even moreso than everyone's precious Dreamcast, which I find highly overrated IMHO.  And unlike the OP, I have actually played the DC, so I know what I'm talking about. A handful of some great exclusives coupled with some interesting features weren't enough to disguise the fact that the DC was just a stop-gap console and couldn't match up to the much more powerful consoles released a mere year or two after.



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

GameCube was product of complicated times at Nintendo the old guard retired and the new one was either inexperienced (Iwata) and not very capable (NoA), the 1st party games were either polarizing (Wind Waker) botched (Sunshine, Double Dash) or unappealing (Metroid).

WiiU is transitional platform prelude to convergence of console and handheld, everything point to this, eg. dependency on tablet, low power consumption, low HW power, in few years this became cheap enough to converge to one portable platform.

It's too early to say what kind of success the WiiU in the end become.

But screaming Sony fanboys especially those defending Vita are great sign for future prospect.



NightDragon83 said:

like saying that the GC's 1st party lineup was way worse than the Wii's

It was.



Come on guys really? No body knows the future so please stop acting like you all do.... The Wii U may get a boost and become a moderate success. I personally hate Nintendo for selling out the "core" gamer with the Wii so do not take me for a Nintendo fan. I am the complete opposite now actually. I grew up with my SNES and loved them all the way through the GC (Preferred my PS2 though) but the Wii was obviously a success and who saw all that time ago that it would become what it has? To say the Wii U can not or will not is nonsense. I personally will be skipping it due to me not liking Nintendo and lack of games. My PS3 will tide me over easily to the PS4 which I would buy if it was 1k (If the Specs were top notch). Nintendo would be wise to get a larger crowd for the Wii U before the PS4 and 720 are released though as they will only make it tougher.



cbarroso09 said:
If Nintendo is gone, me as a gamer will go to other hobbies. It is not like gaming is the only one. 


I'm not surprised at all. Nintendo was always the entry level stuff of games, and a lot of it's fans are very sheltered to other non AAA games.

 

I also think that's an interesting take OP. The Gamecube was always my favorite Nintendo console personally. I do think it'll sell better than the Gamecube, and N64 to boot, all things considered, but I still don't see it doing much better (much being the keyword) marketshare wise.