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Was Wii a fad?

Yes 219 55.30%
 
No 147 37.12%
 
Hesitant to say one way o... 29 7.32%
 
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ninjablade on 25 March 2013
phenom08 said:
ninjablade said:
wii was a fad and so is kinect but its not a bad thing, even nintendo knows this or else they would have made a more powerful console with an upgraded wii mote. if you wanna know what's not a fad its the PlayStation brand for consoles, why? well because its always releases a powerful system each generation, great third party, good marketing and a brand so powerful it over came 599$.


PS1/PS2 were weak lol. All of that and Playstation brand still came in last this gen. Overcame $599? Still hasnt made a dime and still playing catch up is not a sign of overcoming anything.

ps1 was powerful for its time and ps2 was more powerful then any pc on the market for its time, just because a console that released a year and half later were more powerful doesn't mean it was weak and so what if it hasn't made a dime, it not about winning the battle its about winning the war, sony will end up selling over 90 milliion units when this gen is over and in great position for nextgen.



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phenom08 on 25 March 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
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You kept discussing it with me, so how was it off topic?



It was off topic to begin with but you took it to a whole new level with the trolling (Which you didn't need to ask how it was trolling so I assume you are aware you were trolling). I humored your point and showed how it was inaccurate by every measure of the word that matters to us the consumer. But some reason you want to ignore those and call it a failure anyway and then shift focus to financials and call it a failure again.


You didnt point out anything inaccurate lol. I didnt ignore a thing, you did precisely what you told another poster not to do. You did it to defend the PS3 at all cost. But ill drop it since it will get no where, just like you claim I ignored everything you brought up, you do the same to the posters saying Wii isnt. I even got you to contradict yourself.

You completely took what I said out of context first of all. The person I said that to was not in anway comparing Ps1 to Wii to determine success or failure. I have no clue how you think you are even remotely close at making a point here


He compared PS1 and Wiis sales curve and you told him to not do that because of the difference in markets. You then do the same comparing how much PS3 sold now to how much platforms sold in the past. In other words you did precisely what you told him to not do. Face it, I caught you, let it go. Wii isnt a fad if PS1 isnt, since PS3 is successful because of past platforms.

He compared sales curve to compare fads... It isn't even remotely close to being the same. Face it you have absolutly no clue what you are talking about and you are strugglin' to make a point when you got none. The whole way to identify a fad would be through it's curve which is why he was comparing it... Obvious difference is obvious... Like I don't understand how you even think you are making any sense.  You can easily see the success of a console by comparing by what bar the older generations set. Unless you try to compare something like computer sales in the 80's to now. But thats not what happened.


Lol you cant have it both ways. You cant compare to the past when it benefits you and then say he cant do it when it doesn't benefit you. Thats all it comes down to, you cherry picking. There is no difference, you compared to a past gen and so did he.



RazorDragon on 25 March 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
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Which are few games when compared to the massive generic shooter library they have, while Wii's library is much more diverse in the sense that there isn't a genre dominance, as Wii received games that wouldn't even be possible on the 360/PS3 before Move/Kinect arrived. I hope you understand my point. I'm absolutely fine if you disagree with it, that's my opinion and not a fact, anyway.

Uncharted 2: Among Thieves, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, BioShock, Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception, Borderlands 2, Killzone 2, Far Cry 3, Fallout

are the only shooters I see out of the 45 90+ ps3 games. That's less than a quarter


I'm not going to list every shooter game PS3 and 360 have. You need to remember that nobody plays only 90+ games, I'm talking about the whole library of games, not just a select list of the "best" rated by critics.

My point is your option isn't just shooters and they are easily avoidable.


Not really. I mean, how many 3D Platformers were released on 360 and PS3? JRPGs? Fighting games? Lesser known genres like Roguelikes? It's a much lower number than PS2 generation, while the number of shooters increased exponentially, thus decreasing game releases for other genres. Wii somewhat mainteined the PS2 generation genre divisions, which was more "diversified" than last gen. I mean, even genres that aren't shooters included shooter elements over the last generation on PS3/360. That's what makes the Wii the better console IMO.



phenom08 on 25 March 2013
ninjablade said:
phenom08 said:
ninjablade said:
wii was a fad and so is kinect but its not a bad thing, even nintendo knows this or else they would have made a more powerful console with an upgraded wii mote. if you wanna know what's not a fad its the PlayStation brand for consoles, why? well because its always releases a powerful system each generation, great third party, good marketing and a brand so powerful it over came 599$.


PS1/PS2 were weak lol. All of that and Playstation brand still came in last this gen. Overcame $599? Still hasnt made a dime and still playing catch up is not a sign of overcoming anything.

ps1 was powerful for its time and ps2 was more powerful then any pc on the market for its time, just because a console that released a year and half later were more powerful doesn't mean it was weak and so what if it hasn't made a dime, it not about winning the battle its about winning the war, sony will end up selling over 90 milliion units when this gen is over and in great position for nextgen.


Lol, Ninty has already sold 100 million, by time PS4 even releases it will be up against Nintys juggernauts. Sony is not in excellent position for next gen at all. Broke and they have big games announced for it exclusively yet.



TruckOSaurus on 25 March 2013
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Max King of the Wild said:
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I'm not attacking your definition of a fad, you're free to define it how you want. I didn't quote sales numbers for a reason, I only spoke of sales trends i.e. sales exploding then after a 5 year run dying off very quickly... that's the question I'm asking... does this trend constitute a fad in your eyes?

I was 7 in '94. To be more specific what constitutes as a fad in my eyes you would need to look at market trends during that time. That's why I don't agree with Ps1 vs Wii comparison because the market is so drastically different. As for if the Ps1 was a fad I honestly don't know. I have disagreed with people claiming Ps2 was a fad but I couldn't do that same concerning the Ps1 because I don't remember what the market was like 20 years ago. Nor do I know what the market trends and norms were

I know the hula hoop was a fad but I wasn't alive in the 1950s. The PS1 saw incredible never-before seen sales when it was new and fizzled out after 5 years, does that constitue a fad?

Am I to understand you won't be providing an answer to my question?



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dahuman on 25 March 2013

I've never seen a fad that lasted this long before in my entire life, so if the Wii is a fad, then so are most things that don't last more than 6 years and didn't sell 100mil, and that category only belongs to the PS2 and Nintendo Handhelds lol.



ninjablade on 25 March 2013
phenom08 said:
ninjablade said:
phenom08 said:
ninjablade said:
wii was a fad and so is kinect but its not a bad thing, even nintendo knows this or else they would have made a more powerful console with an upgraded wii mote. if you wanna know what's not a fad its the PlayStation brand for consoles, why? well because its always releases a powerful system each generation, great third party, good marketing and a brand so powerful it over came 599$.


PS1/PS2 were weak lol. All of that and Playstation brand still came in laok wanna makest this gen. Overcame $599? Still hasnt made a dime and still playing catch up is not a sign of overcoming anything.

ps1 was powerful for its time and ps2 was more powerful then any pc on the market for its time, just because a console that released a year and half later were more powerful doesn't mean it was weak and so what if it hasn't made a dime, it not about winning the battle its about winning the war, sony will end up selling over 90 milliion units when this gen is over and in great position for nextgen.


Lol, Ninty has already sold 100 million, by time PS4 even releases it will be up against Nintys juggernauts. Sony is not in excellent position for next gen at all. Broke and they have big games announced for it exclusively yet.

wanna make a bet 6 months sig control ps4 out sells wiiu 2 to 1 in the first 6 months 2014.



phenom08 on 25 March 2013
TruckOSaurus said:
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Max King of the Wild said:
TruckOSaurus said:

I'm not attacking your definition of a fad, you're free to define it how you want. I didn't quote sales numbers for a reason, I only spoke of sales trends i.e. sales exploding then after a 5 year run dying off very quickly... that's the question I'm asking... does this trend constitute a fad in your eyes?

I was 7 in '94. To be more specific what constitutes as a fad in my eyes you would need to look at market trends during that time. That's why I don't agree with Ps1 vs Wii comparison because the market is so drastically different. As for if the Ps1 was a fad I honestly don't know. I have disagreed with people claiming Ps2 was a fad but I couldn't do that same concerning the Ps1 because I don't remember what the market was like 20 years ago. Nor do I know what the market trends and norms were

I know the hula hoop was a fad but I wasn't alive in the 1950s. The PS1 saw incredible never-before seen sales when it was new and fizzled out after 5 years, does that constitue a fad?

Am I to understand you won't be providing an answer to my question?


If Wii is a fad, so is PS1. Since according to him PS3 is a success because it sold more than NES and SNES.



ninjablade on 25 March 2013
phenom08 said:
TruckOSaurus said:
TruckOSaurus said:
Max King of the Wild said:
TruckOSaurus said:

I'm not attacking your definition of a fad, you're free to define it how you want. I didn't quote sales numbers for a reason, I only spoke of sales trends i.e. sales exploding then after a 5 year run dying off very quickly... that's the question I'm asking... does this trend constitute a fad in your eyes?

I was 7 in '94. To be more specific what constitutes as a fad in my eyes you would need to look at market trends during that time. That's why I don't agree with Ps1 vs Wii comparison because the market is so drastically different. As for if the Ps1 was a fad I honestly don't know. I have disagreed with people claiming Ps2 was a fad but I couldn't do that same concerning the Ps1 because I don't remember what the market was like 20 years ago. Nor do I know what the market trends and norms were

I know the hula hoop was a fad but I wasn't alive in the 1950s. The PS1 saw incredible never-before seen sales when it was new and fizzled out after 5 years, does that constitue a fad?

Am I to understand you won't be providing an answer to my question?


If Wii is a fad, so is PS1. Since according to him PS3 is a success because it sold more than NES and SNES.

how is selling over 75 million not a success.



phenom08 on 25 March 2013
ninjablade said:
phenom08 said:
ninjablade said:
phenom08 said:
ninjablade said:
wii was a fad and so is kinect but its not a bad thing, even nintendo knows this or else they would have made a more powerful console with an upgraded wii mote. if you wanna know what's not a fad its the PlayStation brand for consoles, why? well because its always releases a powerful system each generation, great third party, good marketing and a brand so powerful it over came 599$.


PS1/PS2 were weak lol. All of that and Playstation brand still came in laok wanna makest this gen. Overcame $599? Still hasnt made a dime and still playing catch up is not a sign of overcoming anything.

ps1 was powerful for its time and ps2 was more powerful then any pc on the market for its time, just because a console that released a year and half later were more powerful doesn't mean it was weak and so what if it hasn't made a dime, it not about winning the battle its about winning the war, sony will end up selling over 90 milliion units when this gen is over and in great position for nextgen.


Lol, Ninty has already sold 100 million, by time PS4 even releases it will be up against Nintys juggernauts. Sony is not in excellent position for next gen at all. Broke and they have big games announced for it exclusively yet.

wanna make a bet 6 months sig control ps4 out sells wiiu 2 to 1 in 2014.


I would rather do a permaban, but that could work. To make it more fair for you because what you are suggesting is completely illogical. Which ever sells more that year? Why not which ever sells more this holiday? Only if PS4 releases globally ofcourse.