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Captain_Tom on 27 March 2013
Captain_Tom said:

 


This whole time I have been saying "It's too early to tell if the Wii U is screwed."  However last night I finally just came to the conclusion that there is no way this system will do well.  I am saying it will sell 15-40 million.  Here's why:

 

People will not buy it because:

-PSN and LIVE have a loyal fanbase built up that want to keep their accounts.  They will not switch to the Wii U.

[Just because you own both, does not mean most do.  You are the minority]

-It is effectively the same strength as current consoles with a little extra ram.

-The touchpad is not enough to justify its price premium, and the PS4 will have Vita/720 will have tablets.

-No compelling third party games you can't get elseware

 

Third Parties will not support it well because:

-Since no version has enough storage there will effectively little to no DLC,and no games can be installed.  This means longer load times and its extra power is completely bottlenecked by the lack of storage.

-Large updates are not feasable.  BF3's total update space is around 7 GB before DLC.  

Edit: BF4 confirmed to not be on the Wii U, but will be on PS360 and Next Gen Consoles.

-The Next Gen consoles will be easy to program for like PC versions of games, and the PS360 have already been completely figured out.  There is no reason to figure out another IBM CPU for an install base of a few million, when an install base of 150 Mil is sitting around.

Edit: GTAV, Saints Row IV, and Dead Isand Riptide will also skip the Wii U while being on all other consoles.

A price cut and games will not change this because:

-If it is cut to $200 when the PS4 comes out, PS360 will be $100-$200 and have a 7+ year library of great games.

-The PS4 will be about 10 times stronger and far more capaple.  This is where the hardcore will go.

-Great games will sell some consoles but remember I said 15-40 million.  I doubt it will be as bad as the dreamcast.

 

Put a fork in it, it's done.  If you want to debate this, fine.  But I ask people to not change the subject to vita or 3DS.  Those are a whole other beast, and changing the subject to them basically tells me you have nothing to say.





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burninmylight on 27 March 2013
OdinHades said:
Max King of the Wild said:

Naw, nintendo didn't gain that many overly estatic fans that will buy anything Nintendo because of the Wii. They will sell more than the Game Cube but that doesn't mean the hardest of the hard nintendo fans increased much. It just means they are doing a better job of attracting the people that don't have loyalty

I think Nintendo even lost many Fans with the Wii. Many hardcore players who grew up with Nintendo lost interest completely (me included) while others were disappointed by the weak support of the system at the end of its life cycle. Casual Gamers don't tend to prefer a specific company, they will just get the next hot thing, no matter what company brings it. So in the end, I think Nintendo even lost some of its Fanbase and that's why I thinkg the Wii U will sell even worse than Gamecube. It's more expensive, there is not a single must-have title in sight, the hardware is completely outdated and nobody really cares about the console. With the Gamecube, there was at least some hype, even if it was overshadowed by the allmighty PS2. But there is no hype whatsoever for poor Wii U. Hell, even the 7-year old PS3 has more hype at this very moment. The Wii U is what the Wii should have been in the first place, just without that tablet controller. That thing was a bad idea anyway. It's expensive, it's bulky, it's range is limited and it is outdated. Everybody nowadays got a smartphone or a tablet, when those people are introduced to the Wii Us single touch, resistive display they will just laugh their asses off and get an iPad Mini or something for the same money. Also, the display of that thing is really bad. The resoultion is straight from the mid 90s and the image quality also lacks in so many ways. You just can't sell something like that for 300 dollars when customers are used to much higher quality from other devices. It's ridiculous. 

I'll have to agree with the OP, the Wii U is done. No chance it will pull a 3DS, it will die a horribly, slow death. We won't see any significant game releases, only Nintendo titles with the typical droughts in betwenn. So settle yourself to wait 6 to 12 months again once some First Party title releases. 

Posts like this clearly show who hasn't tried a Wii U yet.

"It's expensive"

If $300-350 is expensive, then that's bad news for the PS4/Durango. I know their prices will be justified by the more state-of-the-art tech under the hood, but try that argument with any average person on the street. You can't get into teraflops and tessalation and GBs per second with the vast majority of gamers; most people don't understand, don't care or both.

"it's range is limited"

Of course it's range is limited; it's synced to a console plugged in the wall. What, did you expect to take it on a road trip or something? I can tell you from firsthand experience that it's range is longer than you're giving it credit for. I've taken the Gamepad into a bedroom or to the crapper to play a game many times now without a hitch, and those are at least 15-20 feet away from the console itself and with a wall in between. Can you do that with any other home console? If you need anything longer than that, then isn't that what the 3DS and Vita are for?

"it is outdated"

Not only is this not true, but even if it was, it hardly matters to the vast majority of consumers as long as the games are there. Refer to my first paragraph. The DS was "outdated" next to the PSP, the 3DS is "outdated" next to the Vita, and the Wii is definitely "outdated" next to PS3 and 360. 360 and PS3 are "outdated" next to Wii U. Why are all the "outdated" consoles the ones that kicked the most ass?

"Everybody nowadays got a smartphone or a tablet, when those people are introduced to the Wii Us single touch, resistive display they will just laugh their asses off and get an iPad Mini or something for the same money."

Yeah, screw those cursed tactile buttons on the controller! Who the heck wants REAL buttons? Wouldn't it be so awesome you had to use virtual controls for every game just like an iPad? I sure do love my Mega Man and Street Fighter controls on my touchscreen-only iPad. Covering half the screen with your fat hands or trying to stare at a TV while groping flat-surfaced controller is the REAL way to game!

"The resoultion is straight from the mid 90s and the image quality also lacks in so many ways."

Again, you clearly haven't played a Wii U game or you just have your mind up to hate the console. The image  quality on the small screen is as sharp as the 32" HDTV that I mostly play the Wii U on. Go back and actually play a game from the 90s and then play a Wii U game off TV. Either that, or go find proof for your baseless argument.

 

I told myself I'm through being the white knight for games and consoles that trolls attack with no good reasoning behind it, but I couldn't help myself today. It seems like everyone making these kind of ad hominem attacks on the Wii U are people that haven't really played it, otherwise they couldn't make such arguments. There are plenty of things to dislike about the Wii U; the software drought, the lack of solid release dates for upcoming titles, the ridiculous loat times in the OS, two-Gamepad play being impossible right now, the inconvenience of having to acquire more memory for full retail downloads. But play the freaking thing before you try to spout nonsense about problems that don't exist.



snowdog on 27 March 2013
burninmylight said:
OdinHades said:
Max King of the Wild said:

Naw, nintendo didn't gain that many overly estatic fans that will buy anything Nintendo because of the Wii. They will sell more than the Game Cube but that doesn't mean the hardest of the hard nintendo fans increased much. It just means they are doing a better job of attracting the people that don't have loyalty

I think Nintendo even lost many Fans with the Wii. Many hardcore players who grew up with Nintendo lost interest completely (me included) while others were disappointed by the weak support of the system at the end of its life cycle. Casual Gamers don't tend to prefer a specific company, they will just get the next hot thing, no matter what company brings it. So in the end, I think Nintendo even lost some of its Fanbase and that's why I thinkg the Wii U will sell even worse than Gamecube. It's more expensive, there is not a single must-have title in sight, the hardware is completely outdated and nobody really cares about the console. With the Gamecube, there was at least some hype, even if it was overshadowed by the allmighty PS2. But there is no hype whatsoever for poor Wii U. Hell, even the 7-year old PS3 has more hype at this very moment. The Wii U is what the Wii should have been in the first place, just without that tablet controller. That thing was a bad idea anyway. It's expensive, it's bulky, it's range is limited and it is outdated. Everybody nowadays got a smartphone or a tablet, when those people are introduced to the Wii Us single touch, resistive display they will just laugh their asses off and get an iPad Mini or something for the same money. Also, the display of that thing is really bad. The resoultion is straight from the mid 90s and the image quality also lacks in so many ways. You just can't sell something like that for 300 dollars when customers are used to much higher quality from other devices. It's ridiculous. 

I'll have to agree with the OP, the Wii U is done. No chance it will pull a 3DS, it will die a horribly, slow death. We won't see any significant game releases, only Nintendo titles with the typical droughts in betwenn. So settle yourself to wait 6 to 12 months again once some First Party title releases. 

Posts like this clearly show who hasn't tried a Wii U yet.

"It's expensive"

If $300-350 is expensive, then that's bad news for the PS4/Durango. I know their prices will be justified by the more state-of-the-art tech under the hood, but try that argument with any average person on the street. You can't get into teraflops and tessalation and GBs per second with the vast majority of gamers; most people don't understand, don't care or both.

"it's range is limited"

Of course it's range is limited; it's synced to a console plugged in the wall. What, did you expect to take it on a road trip or something? I can tell you from firsthand experience that it's range is longer than you're giving it credit for. I've taken the Gamepad into a bedroom or to the crapper to play a game many times now without a hitch, and those are at least 15-20 feet away from the console itself and with a wall in between. Can you do that with any other home console? If you need anything longer than that, then isn't that what the 3DS and Vita are for?

"it is outdated"

Not only is this not true, but even if it was, it hardly matters to the vast majority of consumers as long as the games are there. Refer to my first paragraph. The DS was "outdated" next to the PSP, the 3DS is "outdated" next to the Vita, and the Wii is definitely "outdated" next to PS3 and 360. 360 and PS3 are "outdated" next to Wii U. Why are all the "outdated" consoles the ones that kicked the most ass?

"Everybody nowadays got a smartphone or a tablet, when those people are introduced to the Wii Us single touch, resistive display they will just laugh their asses off and get an iPad Mini or something for the same money."

Yeah, screw those cursed tactile buttons on the controller! Who the heck wants REAL buttons? Wouldn't it be so awesome you had to use virtual controls for every game just like an iPad? I sure do love my Mega Man and Street Fighter controls on my touchscreen-only iPad. Covering half the screen with your fat hands or trying to stare at a TV while groping flat-surfaced controller is the REAL way to game!

"The resoultion is straight from the mid 90s and the image quality also lacks in so many ways."

Again, you clearly haven't played a Wii U game or you just have your mind up to hate the console. The image  quality on the small screen is as sharp as the 32" HDTV that I mostly play the Wii U on. Go back and actually play a game from the 90s and then play a Wii U game off TV. Either that, or go find proof for your baseless argument.

 

I told myself I'm through being the white knight for games and consoles that trolls attack with no good reasoning behind it, but I couldn't help myself today. It seems like everyone making these kind of ad hominem attacks on the Wii U are people that haven't really played it, otherwise they couldn't make such arguments. There are plenty of things to dislike about the Wii U; the software drought, the lack of solid release dates for upcoming titles, the ridiculous loat times in the OS, two-Gamepad play being impossible right now, the inconvenience of having to acquire more memory for full retail downloads. But play the freaking thing before you try to spout nonsense about problems that don't exist.



Best. Post. Ever. What's even more unbelievable is that people are sounding the death knell after just 4 months (during which time the Wii U has had a 2 month software drought) and after only 2 first party titles have been released...and even worse people are expecting the PS4 and 720 to fly off shelves at launch, to continue to fly off shelves during the launch window, not to experience the exact same software drought that has hit EVERY SINGLE CONSOLE IN VIDEO GAME HISTORY and to continue flying off shelves AFTER the launch window when we're in the middle of the worst worldwide recession seen in donkey's years.

This time next year is going to be very amusing lol.



ninjablade on 28 March 2013
snowdog said:
burninmylight said:
OdinHades said:
Max King of the Wild said:

Naw, nintendo didn't gain that many overly estatic fans that will buy anything Nintendo because of the Wii. They will sell more than the Game Cube but that doesn't mean the hardest of the hard nintendo fans increased much. It just means they are doing a better job of attracting the people that don't have loyalty

I think Nintendo even lost many Fans with the Wii. Many hardcore players who grew up with Nintendo lost interest completely (me included) while others were disappointed by the weak support of the system at the end of its life cycle. Casual Gamers don't tend to prefer a specific company, they will just get the next hot thing, no matter what company brings it. So in the end, I think Nintendo even lost some of its Fanbase and that's why I thinkg the Wii U will sell even worse than Gamecube. It's more expensive, there is not a single must-have title in sight, the hardware is completely outdated and nobody really cares about the console. With the Gamecube, there was at least some hype, even if it was overshadowed by the allmighty PS2. But there is no hype whatsoever for poor Wii U. Hell, even the 7-year old PS3 has more hype at this very moment. The Wii U is what the Wii should have been in the first place, just without that tablet controller. That thing was a bad idea anyway. It's expensive, it's bulky, it's range is limited and it is outdated. Everybody nowadays got a smartphone or a tablet, when those people are introduced to the Wii Us single touch, resistive display they will just laugh their asses off and get an iPad Mini or something for the same money. Also, the display of that thing is really bad. The resoultion is straight from the mid 90s and the image quality also lacks in so many ways. You just can't sell something like that for 300 dollars when customers are used to much higher quality from other devices. It's ridiculous. 

I'll have to agree with the OP, the Wii U is done. No chance it will pull a 3DS, it will die a horribly, slow death. We won't see any significant game releases, only Nintendo titles with the typical droughts in betwenn. So settle yourself to wait 6 to 12 months again once some First Party title releases. 

Posts like this clearly show who hasn't tried a Wii U yet.

"It's expensive"

If $300-350 is expensive, then that's bad news for the PS4/Durango. I know their prices will be justified by the more state-of-the-art tech under the hood, but try that argument with any average person on the street. You can't get into teraflops and tessalation and GBs per second with the vast majority of gamers; most people don't understand, don't care or both.

"it's range is limited"

Of course it's range is limited; it's synced to a console plugged in the wall. What, did you expect to take it on a road trip or something? I can tell you from firsthand experience that it's range is longer than you're giving it credit for. I've taken the Gamepad into a bedroom or to the crapper to play a game many times now without a hitch, and those are at least 15-20 feet away from the console itself and with a wall in between. Can you do that with any other home console? If you need anything longer than that, then isn't that what the 3DS and Vita are for?

"it is outdated"

Not only is this not true, but even if it was, it hardly matters to the vast majority of consumers as long as the games are there. Refer to my first paragraph. The DS was "outdated" next to the PSP, the 3DS is "outdated" next to the Vita, and the Wii is definitely "outdated" next to PS3 and 360. 360 and PS3 are "outdated" next to Wii U. Why are all the "outdated" consoles the ones that kicked the most ass?

"Everybody nowadays got a smartphone or a tablet, when those people are introduced to the Wii Us single touch, resistive display they will just laugh their asses off and get an iPad Mini or something for the same money."

Yeah, screw those cursed tactile buttons on the controller! Who the heck wants REAL buttons? Wouldn't it be so awesome you had to use virtual controls for every game just like an iPad? I sure do love my Mega Man and Street Fighter controls on my touchscreen-only iPad. Covering half the screen with your fat hands or trying to stare at a TV while groping flat-surfaced controller is the REAL way to game!

"The resoultion is straight from the mid 90s and the image quality also lacks in so many ways."

Again, you clearly haven't played a Wii U game or you just have your mind up to hate the console. The image  quality on the small screen is as sharp as the 32" HDTV that I mostly play the Wii U on. Go back and actually play a game from the 90s and then play a Wii U game off TV. Either that, or go find proof for your baseless argument.

 

I told myself I'm through being the white knight for games and consoles that trolls attack with no good reasoning behind it, but I couldn't help myself today. It seems like everyone making these kind of ad hominem attacks on the Wii U are people that haven't really played it, otherwise they couldn't make such arguments. There are plenty of things to dislike about the Wii U; the software drought, the lack of solid release dates for upcoming titles, the ridiculous loat times in the OS, two-Gamepad play being impossible right now, the inconvenience of having to acquire more memory for full retail downloads. But play the freaking thing before you try to spout nonsense about problems that don't exist.



Best. Post. Ever. What's even more unbelievable is that people are sounding the death knell after just 4 months (during which time the Wii U has had a 2 month software drought) and after only 2 first party titles have been released...and even worse people are expecting the PS4 and 720 to fly off shelves at launch, to continue to fly off shelves during the launch window, not to experience the exact same software drought that has hit EVERY SINGLE CONSOLE IN VIDEO GAME HISTORY and to continue flying off shelves AFTER the launch window when we're in the middle of the worst worldwide recession seen in donkey's years.

This time next year is going to be very amusing lol.

it will be when ps4 and 720 are selling like hot cakes while wiiu continues it selling trend.



Lonely_Dolphin on 28 March 2013

^You believe it's gonna sell like this forever? So nothing will change from the Wii U's current situation during the years to come? Really? I find that hard to believe especially after what's happened to previous systems that were in similar positions.



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MaxwellAllen on 28 March 2013

It doesn't even have trophy support...



Lyrikalstylez on 28 March 2013

Its done, well for me really! Not even if mario 3d or SSB-u would get me to buy this console even if they scored perfect scores..... There are far more epic 3rd party games that are more interesting on other consoles!
A new zelda might turn my head but no just no



burninmylight on 28 March 2013
AnthonyW86 said:
Mr Khan said:
AnthonyW86 said:

I'm just going to quote myself from another topic here:

''And then there's one MAJOR dissadvantage from what i fear will become a huge problem for the Wii-U: It's CPU architecture. Both PS4 and the next xbox will use the X86, and so does the PC on wich every game is developed basically. This means that once PS3 en X360 are going to start losing developer support Wii-U will be the only major system using IBM Power-PC architecture. Now tell me, how many developers do you think will bother to invest alot of time and money to port their games to a completely new architecture, having to downscale and reoptimize everything in the process because Wii-U is far less powerfull, just to port that game to one system with a mediocre install base? And also knowing that most of they're previous games didn't sell well on it's predecessors?The Wii-U will(and already is) losing developer support faster than it is gaining any. And looking at it's game release schedule it doesn't have much support to lose anymore.''

So in my opinion there's little hope the Wii-U will ever have a large amount of major games release for it, except for Nintendo's franchises. Now i would consider buying one for those Nintendo titles alone, but only for $100-$150 and as an extra system aside a PS4 or new Xbox.(and only after those titles are released).

Nintendo needs to take a step back from trying to innovate to much on the hardware and controll front and get back at creating great new games. We haven't seen a new big Nintendo franchise/universe in 15 years.

Pikmin, which would be 12 years.

They seem to be cultivating the Xenoblade 'verse as well, though no-one's especially sure what X is exactly.

I didn't count Pikmin because that didn't become a big franchise. I'm talking something that rivals the likes of Mario, Pokemon and Zelda. Something that will stand for 20-30 years.


Nintendo doesn't decide what becomes a major evergreen franchise. That is completely up to consumers. I'm willing to bet no one in Nintendo had any idea how huge Mario, Zelda and Metroid would become back in 1985.

And you can't say that haven't tried with other franchises. They've tried to make Nintendogs, Brain Age, Wii Sports, Wii Fit into big franchises, but the jury is still out on the lasting power of that lot. They've revived Kid Icarus. That might as well count as a brand new IP, since it collected dust for two decades and came back as an entirely different game from its predecessors.



Suke on 28 March 2013

I’m starting to lose interest in Nintendo, not because of the Wii U or the announcement of the PS4, its because their games are starting to feel routine. I just read the interview and found out why Nintendo rarely do new IPs and to a point, I can agree, starting off with the gameplay mechanic is a clever way to begin production of a game, but slapping the same face on every game with no added personalty or soul can only get you so far. New IPs can give us new worlds to explore and more characters to get to know. I think Nintendo should follow Bungie methods and move on to a new IP if they don’t know what else to do with them because after playing Super Mario Galaxy 2, 3D Land, NSMB2 and U, Skyward Sword etc. I realize , I wasn’t gaining that new experiences of exploration that I use to because after a while the game feel soulless….. well maybe not Skyward Sword but most of the Mario games. I wish most of the recent mario games was similar to Sunshine, fun characters with fun gameplay with a new world to explore. Galaxy 1 was great, the gravity base gameplay is a joy to play but really unnecessary to make Galaxy 2.

Rather Mario and the other in the Mario franchise don’t evolve, or its time for the series to retire, seriously. I want to see the series evolve in the next Mario game for the Wii U. The Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi series are more creative then the Nintendo developers games. I still feel the Zelda franchise need to end and move on, let’s get a new IP then a new Zelda game. Nintendo, we want a new approach, new IPs, new games for to draw in new types of gamers to your brand, rather its casual or hardcore.

I hope to see a change that draw my attention to Nintendo games again, but base on Nintendo's really werid marketing practices over the year, it seem they lost their way in this new era of media.



“Don’t follow the hype, follow the games”

— 

Here a little quote I want for those to keep memorize in your head for this coming next gen.                            

 By: Suke
Mandalore76 on 28 March 2013
MaxwellAllen said:
It doesn't even have trophy support...

Some gamers don't need their console manufacturer to come to their house and put a gold star on their refrigerator for them.  I really don't get what "hardcore" gamers find so "hardcore" about Trophies and Achievements.  They don't add anything to the gameplay.  Do you really need your console to tell you that you got 10 points for finishing chapter one of the game you are playing?  Is there any legitimate reason to play an entire game of Madden while only selecting FB Dive on offense (a made up achievement, but symbolic of the ridiculous things you get awarded for doing in sports titles)?  Is the gaming experience diminished on Wii U by not having an achievement/trophy system?  Absolutely not!  If you accomplish something in a Wii U game that you are particularly proud of, all you have to do is take a screenshot of the game with your Gamepad and send it to Miiverse.  I think that's a far more immersive and satisfying gaming experience than needing Sony or Microsoft to tell you, "Hey, you scored 50 points, 20 rebounds, 20 blocks, and 20 assists with Lebron James in a single basketball game?  Kudos.  Here is your generic pat on the back for all to see."  Or, "Hey, you completed the Level One tutorial of the game that you have to complete anyway to actually begin the game?   Well done.  This must be announced to the entire gaming community, so we hereby award you 10 points, because you sir, are hardcore."  I personally have an XBox 360, I have plenty of achievements in my gamerscore, and I do not miss that aspect of gaming when playing my Wii U when the things that can be done with Miiverse at your disposal are completely unique and render achievements and trophies unnecessary.